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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepa...ntrol-n1485645

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:09 PM   #121
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Good to know. What's the percentage of single incident mass murder by hammer?
so what you're saying is that gun banning legislation is ONLY to prevent mass shootings?

do you even know how VERY small the number is of "mass shootings" compared to just your everday ghetto neighborhood inner city shooting?

Most gun related deaths are inner city shootings. you don't have to be some sociology expert to find that out. In every major city there are gangs shooting eachother up every ****ing night.

But we're going to ban guns from lawful Americans because the news hypes this up because there are children involved and it's a school. This is all designed so that the fear and gruesome of it all is implanted into your mind causing a natural kneejerk reaction, and that all you hear is the teleprompting reading goons to convince you that taking away your guns is the only why this is going to solve this all.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:11 PM   #122
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313,000,000 people in this country. 323 killed by rifles in a year.

You know what "infinitesimally" means, right?
Percentage of Americans killed by rifle.

Oh, that's the number you were creating? Not the percentage of murders committed by rifle that aren't criminal on criminal crime?

Please forgive me for misunderstanding you considering you never really said what percentage of what would go down.

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I'll bet if you removed criminal on criminal crime, where illegally obtained weapons were used, that percentage would become even more infinitesimal.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:12 PM   #123
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:15 PM   #124
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so what you're saying is that gun banning legislation is ONLY to prevent mass shootings?

do you even know how VERY small the number is of "mass shootings" compared to just your everday ghetto neighborhood inner city shooting?

Most gun related deaths are inner city shootings. you don't have to be some sociology expert to find that out. In every major city there are gangs shooting eachother up every ****ing night.

But we're going to ban guns from lawful Americans because the news hypes this up because there are children involved and it's a school. This is all designed so that the fear and gruesome of it all is implanted into your mind causing a natural kneejerk reaction, and that all you hear is the teleprompting reading goons to convince you that taking away your guns is the only why this is going to solve this all.
Yes and yes.

You guys keeping working to prevent blunt object and gun murder in general, I'll keep working on mass shootings. I understand that's not an even workload, but that happens sometimes.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:16 PM   #125
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Percentage of Americans killed by rifle.

Oh, that's the number you were creating? Not the percentage of murders committed by rifle that aren't criminal on criminal crime?

Please forgive me for misunderstanding you considering you never really said what percentage of what would go down.
The funny thing is, no matter what percentage you're trying to make here, they're all extremely small.

When you get into the number of sheep scared shitless over GUN VIOLENCE by the media, however, percentages really spike.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:20 PM   #126
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The funny thing is, no matter what percentage you're trying to make here, they're all extremely small.

When you get into the number of sheep scared shitless over GUN VIOLENCE by the media, however, percentages really spike.
Yes, they are extremely small.

I'm sorry this spike is ruining your hobby.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:20 PM   #127
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You're pretty close. The FBI shows 12,664 homicides in 2011, 8,583 of which were by firearms. Of those, 6,220 were by handguns, 323 by rifles, 356 by shotguns, and 1,684 by firearms of an indeterminate type.

A little quick math tells us that 3.76% of firearm deaths, and 2.55% of all homicides, were known to have been committed by rifles.

(The number, of course, must be more, because some of those 'indeterminate type's are bound to have been rifles also, but these are just the known rifle homicides.)

(Also note that, for whatever reason, the FBI doesn't include information from Alabama or Florida.)


The more you know!
Too bad they don't break the numbers down even further. We don't know how many of those 323 rifle homicides in 2011 were from an AR-15 or other "assault rifles," or how many are from other semi-autos rifles, bolt action rifles, or what caliber.

I was looking at some of the other charts on the FBI website. I found a chart that had info from 2007-2011, showing that firearm homicides have gone down significantly in every category, including rifles. In fact, it clearly shows that rifles are used in fewer murders than either shotguns or handguns.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...e-data-table-8

And for what its worth, violent crimes have gone down as well over the same time period.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr.../violent-crime



There are more guns than ever in this country, and gun murders are decreasing. The Dems are trying to capitalize on all the negative press (almost exclusively from left wing outfits) in order to achieve their dream of a total gun ban. They'll start out with just "assault rifles." After that, its semi auto handguns, then all other handguns, then all other rifles, etc. They'll chip away until they've banned every firearm.
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You're pretty close. The FBI shows 12,664 homicides in 2011, 8,583 of which were by firearms. Of those, 6,220 were by handguns, 323 by rifles, 356 by shotguns, and 1,684 by firearms of an indeterminate type.

A little quick math tells us that 3.76% of firearm deaths, and 2.55% of all homicides, were known to have been committed by rifles.

(The number, of course, must be more, because some of those 'indeterminate type's are bound to have been rifles also, but these are just the known rifle homicides.)

(Also note that, for whatever reason, the FBI doesn't include information from Alabama or Florida.)

The more you know!
This doesn't conflict with what petegz28 said. I mean, he was about dead on there.
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Yes and yes.

You guys keeping working to prevent blunt object and gun murder in general, I'll keep working on mass shootings. I understand that's not an even workload, but that happens sometimes.
Are you also going to work on vehicle related deaths? It's an epidemic.
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313,000,000 people in this country. 323 killed by rifles in a year.

You know what "infinitesimally" means, right?

That ratio as expressed in decimal form is so small that the calculator on my PC will only show it in scientific notation.
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Yes, they are extremely small.

I'm sorry this spike is ruining your hobby.
Lets see if we can put that number into some perspective:


US Infant Homicide Rates Doubled from 1970-2000
Reuters Health via Yahoo ^ | 12-10-02 | Keith Mulvihill

Posted on Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:01:30 PM by Pharmboy

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - The rate of infant homicides in the US has more than doubled over the last 30 years, according to a new report by Child Trends, a not-for-profit research organization in Washington, DC.

Between 1970 and 2000, the official infant homicide rate in the US increased from 4.3 to 9.1 murders per 100,000 children under age one, according to the report.

"Almost one infant homicide per day was reported in the year 2000 (349 total)," the report states.

"Although tragic, the numbers of children who die each year from infant homicide do not indicate that a huge social epidemic is taking place. Nonetheless, the data offer important information that may be useful in trying to reduce the numbers of infants who are victims of homicide each year," said Brett Brown, director of social research for the organization and a project director of Child Trends DataBank.

Brown explained that, most likely, two factors play a role in the increase in the number of infant homicides. For one, more babies are being born to unwed teens, who are known to be at highest risk for infant homicide, Brown told Reuters Health in an interview.

Secondly, the reporting of infant homicides has become more accurate over the last 30 years, Brown pointed out.

On the whole, teens have less social support to help with parenting, and many teen parents are likely to be poor. They don't know much about parenting, and they may be very stressed, Brown said.

Teen mothers are most at risk for infant homicide during the first week of the baby's life, according to Brown. Thereafter, until the child reaches one year of age, men--such as the baby's father or a mother's boyfriend--are more likely to kill a child.

With regard to race, the data indicate that non-Hispanic blacks are "substantially more at risk than other races to die of an intentional injury during their first year of life."

In 2000, non-Hispanic blacks had an infant homicide rate of 25.6 per 100,000, while non-Hispanic whites had a rate of 6 per 100,000, and Hispanics had a rate of 7.3 per 100,000.

Brown said that more African-American unwed teens have babies compared to other ethnic groups and that in rural areas, where more whites live, infant homicides are likely to be under reported.

"The findings should offer more insight to policymakers about who best to reach out to reduce the number of infants that are murdered," said Brown.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/804253/posts


When is the POTUS going to create an executive order that deals with infant homicide?
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Are you also going to work on vehicle related deaths? It's an epidemic.
One task at a time. I'm busy, but if you'd like to start that, I'll join you when I can.

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When is the POTUS going to create an executive order that deals with infant homicide?
That's a good question, or better yet, how will he stop it?

Maybe he can equip every infant with a counterbalance.

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That's a good question, or better yet, how will he stop it?

Maybe he can equip every infant with a counterbalance.

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Hell if I know. More ineffective legislation?
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You know, I'm putting more thought into this vehicle control legislation. We have some vehicle control right now. There is training available, and it is mandatory for minors. We require permits to use them. There are government agencies that regulate safety. There are laws in place that regulate how the device is allowed to operate, including how quickly the device is allowed to function. In California you have to get a special permit to own more than a certain number of them.
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