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Old 01-09-2013, 03:17 PM  
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Obama to issue executive order regarding guns?

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Vice President Joe Biden is meeting with victims of gun violence today. Speaking with reporters beforehand, Biden said President Obama may use an executive order to push through more gun control and Second Amendment restrictions. More from the Weekly Standard.

"The president is going to act," said Biden, giving some comments to the press before a meeting with victims of gun violence. "There are executives orders, there's executive action that can be taken. We haven't decided what that is yet. But we're compiling it all with the help of the attorney general and the rest of the cabinet members as well as legislative action that we believe is required."

Biden said that this is a moral issue and that "it's critically important that we act."

Biden talked also about taking responsible action. "As the president said, if you're actions result in only saving one life, they're worth taking. But I'm convinced we can affect the well-being of millions of americans and take thousands of people out of harm's way if we act responsibly."

We knew this was coming. The White House has been saying for a month that they are acting "quickly" on new gun control measures. Senator Dianne Feinstein's sweeping new gun control legislation hasn't even been introduced yet and Obama isn't the kind of president who has shown a willingness to wait on Congress.

If Obama pushes through new regulations using executive powers, the process will unfold in different parts. After an order is signed, the Department of Justice led by Attorney General Eric Holder, will be in charge of enforcement through the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms. Now, how far the order will go is the big question. You can bet it will ban semi-automatic rifles and large ammunition magazines, but how Obama grandfathers in old, lawfully purchases semi-automatic rifles remains unknown. Will he require citizens who already own these weapons to be fingerprinted as Feinstein's bill requires? Or will he go so far as confiscation as New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has suggested? Time will tell.
Can the SCOTUS overturn an executive order? (at work and don't hav ethe time to look it up)
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:41 PM   #91
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So, what you are saying is that F&F is irrelevant to this thread.
It's not irrelevant considering the govt wants to disarm lawful gun owners but then turns right around and deals arms to known criminals drug cartels. They arm the cartels that launder their drug money through wall street to take care of the competition that don't launder their drug money to the wall street banks. It's a hypocritical criminal government. But apparently this is just way over your head. You can't make the simple connection that by govt. I mean the Obama admin.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:49 PM   #92
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Do you realize the precedent that would be set if a president were impeached for simply issuing an executive order? Impeachment is for when an official breaks the law.
An EO that violates the constitution is a mandate allowing government agents to break the highest law of the land.

The 2nd amendment supersedes any EO


(not saying this is likely, but in my mind it could be impeachable...hell if a blowjob is impeachable...this would be)
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:49 PM   #93
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What % of gun murders are via rifle?
From Pete's stat it's 1%.

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What % of murders are via guns of any type?
I don't know, you tell me.
I do know that 100% of murders by guns are via guns.

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So the ban of "assault rifles", an unofficial title, serves what purpose again?
Reduce the murder rate by 1% and prevent Lanza and Holmes' biggest fan from buying an AR-15 over the summer.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:49 PM   #94
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This.

Obama is an astute politician. I put the chances of this happening at less than 10%.
He's way too smart to do this. I would put it at .01%.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:52 PM   #95
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Not sure an EO is truly necessary, but it would score political points on both sides of the debate. Leftist gun-haters could say their president took action and made the world a safer place for flowers, drum circles, and hairy legged "women", while the gun-toters get what they've been calling for: concentration on enforcing existing laws.
Bingo.

Everyone is happy, and democrats get re-elected.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:55 PM   #96
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Think "comprehensive." 1% here, 3% there...
You'd save more lives banning alcohol than firearms. Just saying.
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:56 PM   #97
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So if we banned "assault weapons" we would reduce the murder rate by what, 1%??? WOW!
Pretty much

theres like 20,000 murders per year and maybe 200 are by assault rifle.

but hey we can cut the number down to 19,800 just by giving up our rights (all 300 million of us) to protect our family and property!
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Old 01-09-2013, 08:56 PM   #98
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From Pete's stat it's 1%.


I don't know, you tell me.
I do know that 100% of murders by guns are via guns.



Reduce the murder rate by 1% and prevent Lanza and Holmes' biggest fan from buying an AR-15 over the summer.
I believe the FBI data shows murders by rifles are 3%. AR's would be a subset of that 3%.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:02 PM   #99
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Damn gravity kills about 35,000 people a year here in the US. I hope Obama passes an EO banning gravity, so people will stop falling and shit.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:03 PM   #100
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Damn gravity kills about 35,000 people a year here in the US. I hope Obama passes an EO banning gravity, so people will stop falling and shit.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:07 PM   #101
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It's not irrelevant considering the govt wants to disarm lawful gun owners but then turns right around and deals arms to known criminals drug cartels. They arm the cartels that launder their drug money through wall street to take care of the competition that don't launder their drug money to the wall street banks. It's a hypocritical criminal government. But apparently this is just way over your head. You can't make the simple connection that by govt. I mean the Obama admin.
Apparently you missed the huge fine HSBC just had to pay for laundering money for cartels. But yea the government wants cartels to launder money through Wall St
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:08 PM   #102
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From Pete's stat it's 1%.


I don't know, you tell me.
I do know that 100% of murders by guns are via guns.



Reduce the murder rate by 1% and prevent Lanza and Holmes' biggest fan from buying an AR-15 over the summer.
Hint, you would be more effective banning hammers, knives, bats, and clubs if you want to significantly reduce murder rates. The "assault weapon" is a red herring.

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Old 01-09-2013, 09:22 PM   #103
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FaF was a botched attempt at tracking gun/drug dealers. Fault them for that if you like, but it has nothing to do with this debate.

Yeah, that meaningless registration that found the woman that bought the guns for the nut that killed fire fighters.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:23 PM   #104
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Hint, you would be more effective banning hammers, knives, bats, and clubs if you want to significantly reduce murder rates. The "assault weapon" is a red herring.

http://www.inquisitr.com/467102/hamm...tats-for-2011/
Good to know. What's the percentage of single incident mass murder by hammer?
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:26 PM   #105
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Good to know. What's the percentage of single incident mass murder by hammer?
And what percentage of murders are mass shootings?
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