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Old 01-08-2013, 12:17 PM  
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Texas A&M LT Joeckel is coming out for draft

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Texas A&M LT Luke Joeckel is skipping his SR yr to enter NFL draft, per source as initially reported by @billyliucci
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:07 PM   #46
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:08 PM   #47
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You know what really drives me nuts? People say this isn't a good QB class, but then go on to say we should wait to draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Yeah that's brilliant! "It isn't a good QB class to begin with so lets just take one of the 2nd tier guys."
Well put.

We're not getting anything qb worthy any other way. Even assuming Geno doesn't have the fantastic potential to be completely worthy of the No. 1 pick, there's still a lot of teams out there quite desperate for a QB. I don't care if the qb draft CLASS is weak, because we have the top overall pick.

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Old 01-08-2013, 01:09 PM   #48
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Forget Long over Ryan. Let's just look at Long.

Pretty solid for his first 4 seasons and then started tailing off. Has had a couple of nagging injuries and now the Dolphins are hinting at needing to replace him.

Even without Matt Rayn in the discussion, that pick was a DISASTER.

And Long was a superior prospect to Joeckel.
True. In the end waiting on the QB ended up netting them a lesser QB and a broken LT who probably isn't even going to be re-signed
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:10 PM   #49
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While I'm with everyone that we need a QB; there aren't any high caliber QB's to be had with the no.1 pick IMO. Albert was up and down this season and Winston was outright terrible some of the time.

They are saying this guy is the best OT prospect to come out in 10 years. I would be behind Reid if he decided to take the BPA with the overall no.1 pick and then address the QB position in the 2nd round or trade back up into the 1st to get the QB they want.

I'm also confident we will be active in FA to find a "journeyman" type QB as a mentor.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:11 PM   #50
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The venom in here is awesome.

fwiw.. Jarvis Jones does remind me a bit of Derrick Thomas.


and like I said to begin with, I agree that we need a QB very badly. I'm just glad we have someone in charge that can recognize QB talent and won't be afraid to look elsewhere with the first pick if he doesn't deem the talent level at the position worth of the no. 1 pick overall.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:12 PM   #51
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Not to mention that the year before the Long pick MIA chose Ronnie Brown at #2 and passed on Aaron Rodgers. IMO there is more risk in not taking a shot with a QB than trying to play it safe
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:13 PM   #52
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The venom in here is awesome.

fwiw.. Jarvis Jones does remind me a bit of Derrick Thomas.


and like I said to begin with, I agree that we need a QB very badly. I'm just glad we have someone in charge that can recognize QB talent and won't be afraid to look elsewhere with the first pick if he doesn't deem the talent level at the position worth of the no. 1 pick overall.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:14 PM   #53
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Good. We want more excellent talent at the top of the draft, in case Reid isn't completely sold on Geno and wants to trade down a few spots to grab a different QB. The more good non-QB talent at the top of the draft, the better for the Chiefs.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:15 PM   #54
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Are you ****ing with us or something?

Look how long you've been part of this board.....Have you learned nothing?
yeah.. I've learned that we have 52 players on this team and the majority of them are crap. I've also learned that when a franchise falls in love with one player they end up with Jamarcus Russell.

I'm really starting to believe that if the actual Willie Roaf and the actual Christian Ponder were in the draft. This board would crucify anyone who would say to pick Roaf.

Just seems to be QB or bust.

BTW... from Andy Reid's comments in the PC... seems that he isn't sold on a QB at no.1 this year either.

However, if we do take a QB with the first pick. I will be very happy.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:15 PM   #55
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Draft him and move Albert to LG!
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:16 PM   #56
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I love how the thought isn't even considered and I'm just blasted for coming up with a differing opinion.

While Geno was awesome against walk-over opponents, he was no better than average most of the year. Assuming he is the one that everyone here is SO desperate to draft no.1 OVERALL.

Wouldn't you think it might make a little sense to look around and see if we can find someone who was actually a stand out in their position in college?
You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.
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Old 01-08-2013, 01:16 PM   #57
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I also saw this on facebook
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JOEKELYTES UNITE!!!!

The 'Albert to G' stuff started even sooner than I thought...

Because I'm sure a guy that was in the top 1/2 of the league at the highest paid O-line position in football is just dying to switch to a lower paid position in as a FA. Seems like a savvy career move, doesn't it?

People are idiots.
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You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.
Here's a spin: You take the person at one that you feel will contribute more to your organization over a longer time span. I'm not convinced Geno is it. However, I, nor anybody outside of the Chiefs organization, make that call.

Ironically, I think if the Chiefs would have won a couple of more games and had a lower draft spot in the first the same things would have happened and we probably would draft a quarterback.

This place is going to epic meltdown status on draft day because I don't think Geno is in the cards.
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You're blasted for offering nothing to substantiate things like:

"Joekel is the best OT prospect in 10 years" and "He's the next Willie Roaf".

Offer some substance and I'll respond in kind. All you've done is offer your spin on a tired debate without any facts to back it. As maqe has noted - many of us are tired of the double standard being applied to prospects at 'lesser' positions. If you draft Joekel, he's a surefire HOFer whereas if you draft a QB, he's the next Ryan Leaf.

It's just dumb and ultimately it's nothing more than a by-product of A) People in KC have had this anti-QB bias beaten into them and B) The unrealistic and wholly inaccurate assumption that you only take a QB at #1 overall when Andrew Luck is sitting there.

That's why you got blasted. Not because of your opinion, but because your opinion is the same re-packaged, ill-informed, wrong-headed tripe that we've heard for years.

I can totally understand where you are coming from. You are right, I have nothing but what I heard on the radio stating that some think he's the best OT prospect in 10 years.

But you have to agree that this is a very DOWN QB year.
-Everyone is charging ahead for Geno solely based on his big numbers early in the season.
Barkley was so/so and got hurt.

Assuming those are the 2 best options for the 1st pick at QB. They just both appear to be "Christian Ponder" to me. Game managers at best.

Just NOT the type of players you take with the overall no. 1 pick if there is a stunning player at a different position. Like a Jarvis Jones type guy who can really be a game changer.

We are not going to be able to turn this all around in 1 season, I'm sorry. We need talent.
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