Defense: Will We Still Be in the 3-4 in 2013?

[the_spatula]

Who will be the next DC?

Which players would be out of a job if we changed scheme?

[Chiefs=Good]

Originally Posted by Brooklyn

There's nothing more successful than an Andy Reid squad labeled The Dream Team!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Sorter

If we switch to the 4-3 (Wide 9 I'm assuming), we need a new NT or 3-tech depending on where our DC wants to play Poe and assuming Powe/Bailey aren't the answer, a new DE, and a new Will and Mike (DJ is an acceptable stop gap playing the Will or Mike IMO.

DJ was thoroughly inconsistent playing OLB in the 4-3. I'd almost be inclined to say leave him at Mike but in reality, he really doesn't have a great position in the 4-3.

Hali and Houston both played DE in college but both are now hovering around 270 and have become used to playing standing up. Hali showed flashes in the 4-3 but he really came on in the 3-4.

Poe could probably play the 3T but we don't know if any of the other guys we have would fit the 4-3 at all. I'm convinced Dorsey's legs are shot - it was a concern coming out of college.

All in all, we could probably cobble together a 4-3 defense. But in the end, I think we'd ultimately have to replace ALL SEVEN guys in the front 7 to play it WELL.

[ct]

Move Hali back to LDE, get him to add some weight back. Houston moves to ROLB in the DT mold, with a run stuffing RDE inside him (who that is i'm not sure at this point). We've got Poe and Powe and Smith and all kinds of other big DT types to move inside, and quite likely some of them might function well in the RDE role w/ pass rushing as secondary. DJ as MLB or LOLB and use Siler or draftee at Mike.

We do need a CB and FS in the draft and/or FA, and additional pass rushers off the bench are a MUST!!

I think it could work well in a couple years.

[suds79]

Originally Posted by ct

Move Hali back to LDE, get him to add some weight back. Houston moves to ROLB in the DT mold, with a run stuffing RDE inside him.

What about this? Forget run stuffing RDE. League is about the pass anyways.

Lets just get as many pass rushers on the field as possible like the Giants do. Start Allen Bailey at RDE.

[ct]

Originally Posted by suds79

What about this? Forget run stuffing RDE. League is about the pass anyways.

Lets just get as many pass rushers on the field as possible like the Giants do. Start Allen Bailey at RDE.

i'm good w/ that, just remembering the days of DT. we didn't really need much of a pass rush from that DE spot. they pretty much bull rush the inside to keep double teams off of DT, very much like a 3-4 end on that side of the ball. now if we can find the perfect guy who excels at both, obviously that's ideal, but those dudes are rare.

[CoMoChief]

I'm more than sure player personnel on the defensive side was discussed during that 9hr long meeting.

Hali is playing better as a OLB than he was at DE
DJ is much better playing at ILB than OLB
Houston is too small for DE, and is too slow for covering at OLB

It would be criminal to switch to a 43 now.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I'm more than sure player personnel on the defensive side was discussed during that 9hr long meeting.

Hali is playing better as a OLB than he was at DE
DJ is much better playing at ILB than OLB
Houston is too small for DE, and is too slow for covering at OLB

It would be criminal to switch to a 43 now.

This team needs offense.

I gotta think Reid is a smart guy. Get a QB, build up the offense, WIN.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by ct

i'm good w/ that, just remembering the days of DT. we didn't really need much of a pass rush from that DE spot. they pretty much bull rush the inside to keep double teams off of DT, very much like a 3-4 end on that side of the ball. now if we can find the perfect guy who excels at both, obviously that's ideal, but those dudes are rare.

We played a 30 or hybrid front for most of the time DT was here. Under Cowher is was true 3-4. They switched to a true 4-3 for a few games in 1992 under Dave Adolph but after seeing Derrick Thomas in pass coverage, they switched to a hybrid front. Gunther also tried 4-3 but ended up with a hybrid front with that stupid Falcon thing.

[BigChiefTablet]

Here comes the Wide Nine

[O.city]

We need to hope Rivera's meeting goes bad today, he'd be a perfect fit for the pieces on the d.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Houston - Powe - Poe - Hali

That would be your defensive line.

Probably not.

It would be more like :

Hali, Poe, Powe, Jackson

Houston is too small to play DE, imo

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Probably not.

It would be more like :

Hali, Poe, Powe, Jackson

Houston is too small to play DE, imo

Right now, Hali is too.

If Tyson Jackson were to fit in a 4-3, it would be defensive tackle, not defensive end. And that's a HUGE IF.

[Pestilence]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Probably not.

It would be more like :

Hali, Poe, Powe, Jackson

Houston is too small to play DE, imo

You seriously don't think that Houston can put on 12 lbs? He's 12 lbs lighter than Jared Allen is right now. And 3 inches shorter.

Houston can damn sure play DE in a 4-3.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I'm more than sure player personnel on the defensive side was discussed during that 9hr long meeting.

Hali is playing better as a OLB than he was at DE
DJ is much better playing at ILB than OLB
Houston is too small for DE, and is too slow for covering at OLB

It would be criminal to switch to a 43 now.

This. Our 3 best players on defense are at their best in the 3-4. Why change?

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

I'm more than sure player personnel on the defensive side was discussed during that 9hr long meeting.

Hali is playing better as a OLB than he was at DE
DJ is much better playing at ILB than OLB
Houston is too small for DE, and is too slow for covering at OLB

It would be criminal to switch to a 43 now.

This basically, plus the fact that DJ performs much better when he doesn't have to take on blockers. DJ didn't do well at MLB in the 4-3 either, much better at ILB in the 3-4.

Any news on the DC? If we switch, I think we are screwed.