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Old 01-02-2013, 03:46 PM  
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brake line fitting

Busted the line at the fitting on the rear passenger side today. I can't get the fitting off, it seems really soft on both ends. Box wrench and socket wanted to round the edges with the slightest amount of torque. Special tool of tricks?

Orielly didn't know the diameter of.the line either. My chiltons didn't have specs that I seen. I assumed its 3/16.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:54 PM   #76
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A little.

I Love when these backwoods shadetree mechanics that spent zero time actually testing, at school, and being paid by your employer for training, tell me that something "Doesn't matter", all because they did work on a farm truck that sees 500 miles of road and 1500 miles of fields annualy, and didn't have an issue.

Meanwhile I'm over here on fleet vehicles hitting 20-30k a year on the road where there are other vehicles.

I paid my dues, got my certs, went through training, and actually have the mental capacity to understand 'why" and "where" which is why I am a Specialist, and he tells me I'm wrong.

Its my job to be right dude.
But everything you said about me and this issue is wrong...

Be mad
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:55 PM   #77
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Ok all you smarty pants. The length of the stupid line will not matter. Period. As long as it has fluid in the line it could be 5 miles long it will still move the same amount of fluid. Hydraulics 101 boys.

but like the last post said. Diameter is the one that has to be the same/
thanks. I don't think this guy has been right about any post he has on the planet
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:56 PM   #78
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I made brake lines for a solid three months @ Pitt State Auto Tech, do you know what our ASE Certified Master Tech told us and taught us?
I'm dying to hear this because the brake lines just transmit pressure and if they are bled properly there will not be any difference in pressure for lines 1/16" difference in length.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:56 PM   #79
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But 1/16" is making a big difference on a line that could be 8 feet long...

And no brake lines are different lengths.


ok guy... What about thepickups that the passenger side line runs into the drivers side line in the drivers wheel well then runs over?

Wouldn't that be pretty unbalanced?
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Ok all you smarty pants. The length of the stupid line will not matter. Period. As long as it has fluid in the line it could be 5 miles long it will still move the same amount of fluid. Hydraulics 101 boys.

but like the last post said. Diameter is the one that has to be the same/
So you're telling me that in a system that is not 100% continuously pressurized with fluid, that the length of a brake line does not matter. I won't disagree on diameter at all, but length you are wrong.

What happens? For those that want to know. The shorter the distance from the master cylinder to the caliper, the sooner braking force will be applied on that caliper. What happens when one side of the car brakes before the other? It pulls. Is pulling a good thing? Apparently according to Jason.
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I've had this type of discussion with guys that just got out of school before. Work in the real work for awhile and you will learn.

I understand what they are going to teach in school, but is not always real world applicable.
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just be glad he didn't go to DeVry.....you'd really be hearing about expertise
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But everything you said about me and this issue is wrong...

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I'm not mad, but I'm not wrong either. I'm 100% by the book. I don't cut corners and have a full working knowledge of 99% of everything used in automobiles on the market today.

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Really? You couldn't even answer my question.

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I'm dying to hear this because the brake lines just transmit pressure and if they are bled properly there will not be any difference in pressure for lines 1/16" difference in length.
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I've had this type of discussion with guys that just got out of school before. Work in the real work for awhile and you will learn.

I understand what they are going to teach in school, but is not always real world applicable.
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It is always real world applicable to do things right......

I'm also not fresh out of school either, I've got a decade under my belt as a mechanic, and worked for 2 different dealerships and was co-owner of my own shop until January of this last year.

Safe to say I know a thing or two buddy.

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just be glad he didn't go to DeVry.....you'd really be hearing about expertise
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Once more, in English please.



So you're telling me that in a system that is not 100% continuously pressurized with fluid, that the length of a brake line does not matter. I won't disagree on diameter at all, but length you are wrong.

What happens? For those that want to know. The shorter the distance from the master cylinder to the caliper, the sooner braking force will be applied on that caliper. What happens when one side of the car brakes before the other? It pulls. Is pulling a good thing? Apparently according to Jason.
Is this true for a compressible fluid or an incomprehensible fluid?
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So you're telling me that in a system that is not 100% continuously pressurized with fluid, that the length of a brake line does not matter. I won't disagree on diameter at all, but length you are wrong.

What happens? For those that want to know. The shorter the distance from the master cylinder to the caliper, the sooner braking force will be applied on that caliper. What happens when one side of the car brakes before the other? It pulls. Is pulling a good thing? Apparently according to Jason.
Fluid doesn't compress. If there is no air in the system as soon as fluid moves anywhere it moves everywhere.

Restricted lines or hoses cause pulls.


Again, what about a pickup that the line comes from the master to the lf wheel well and the rf line tires into it there and runs all the way to the Rf wheel? Why doesn't the truck pull left?


You are wrong.
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I agree with this 110#.
He just sidestepped the fact that my analysis was right, and basically admitted he was wrong, and you're agreeing with him.

I've heard it all now.
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true; but I used to work with Engineers who think that because 'the book' says X....then X it is, without taking into consideration what actually happens/needs to happen in the field.

It's great you've got our certs *not being sarcastic, it's great*, but there is a dynamic between education and experience ; and how they work together.

Hope I'm not coming off as a dick; I'm not meaning to etc.
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NM..I just saw your post about your experience. I thought you were just out of school.
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He just sidestepped the fact that my analysis was right, and basically admitted he was wrong, and you're agreeing with him.

I've heard it all now.
You do realize that brake fluid is non-compressible no?
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