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Old 12-28-2012, 01:00 PM  
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An addition to the Pioli resume

I was bored, thought I'd run some numbers - hadn't done any Chiefs-related homework in a while.

Anywho, discussion in another thread got me to thinking about the "talent level" on this team. People seem to be getting back in the habit of blaming specifically the QB and coaching, while claiming that this roster, and those before it are loaded with talent.

For a team that supposedly has talent, all they've done is beat up on the weak sisters of the poor over the last 4 years of the Pioli Nightmare.

23 wins in 4 years.

Those 23 wins came against teams with a collective 152-214 record and a .415 winning percentage. You can thank Green Bay dropping a metric ****ton of passes back in December of 2011 - take them out of the equation, and you're looking at a .375 winning percentage.

1 win in 4 years against a 10-win or better team.

3 wins in 4 years against a 9-win or better team.

20 wins against 8-8 teams or worse - 11 of those wins against teams with 6 wins or less.

So the "Executive of the Decade" was responsible for 5.75 wins per year, and we should consider ourselves lucky we "earned" that many.

In this era of parity in the NFL, a team with this much "talent" would be winning more than 5.75 games per year. Even without a QB. Even without a QB and HC.

Folks say that Mark Sanchez is a POS, and that we have more talent than the Jets. The same Jets that have won 34 games in the last 4 years. 11 more than the Chiefs.

Buffalo has shit for talent, plays in a brutal division, and has 2 fewer wins over the same time period.

Cleveland is hot garbage, and they've won 4 fewer games over the past 4 years. 1 game a year difference.

Jacksonville has 1 fewer win.

Miami has 4 MORE wins.

Oakland has 2 MORE wins.


The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that we have more "talent" than every one of the above teams.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our QB play has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our coaching has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.


The overwhelming majority of this board would be dead wrong on one of those three assessments. One of these things is not like the other.

Folks, it's time to wake up and realize that QB and HC are just part of the problem.

I see a lot of bad teams with bad QB's and bad HC's that have won as much or more than we have.

Sadly, the bottom line is that there isn't nearly as much "talent" on this roster that you think there is - and that we're a lot closer to the Cleveland's, Buffalo's and Jacksonville's of the NFL than you want to admit.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:45 PM   #121
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Everytime somebody says, "No, the talent actually sucks on this team" you get to ask them what we need to replace.

Is it Bowe? No.
Is it Albert? No.
Is it our passrushers? No.
Is it our RB? No.
Is it our starting CB? No. (especially was not the case when Carr was still here)

We're talking about upgrades at WR2, TE, one or two spots in the back 8, and a defensive line that needs to be re-evaluated.

That's a list you won't find on any Super Bowl teams, but give me a ****ing break if it's this insurmountable task that we will be lucky to get half completed. And let's not act like if Geno Smith and our new HC work out that anybody will give a flying **** about those positions listed.

The QB masks about 70% of a teams problems if he's legit. So let's get the legit QB and worry about everything else at a later time.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:46 PM   #122
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Examples of undervalued players? Lay them on me.
Dude do we have to go through all the players on other teams people suck off around here?

I don't have time for the list tonight clay
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:47 PM   #123
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QB is at least 75% of the problem.

You guys preached for years about the difference a franchise QB could make and now that we're on the verge of getting one, you say that a QB won't make that big of a difference.
No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that a franchise QB isn't going to make enough of a difference all by himself.

Some of you seem to think this is a championship-caliber roster just missing a franchise QB.

It's far from that, and 23 wins in 4 years - as many as Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Miami and Jacksonville - who are also missing a QB and according to most don't have the talent we do.

Let's use Oakland again.

Their QB situation has been even worse than ours over the past 4 years.

Coaching has been abysmal. Ownership as well.

98% of this board would say we have a TON more talent than Oakland.

Why do they have more wins in the last 4 years?

Hint: Because we're not as talented a roster as some of you think.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:49 PM   #124
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Matt Cassel is the worst starting qb in the league was typed a billion times on the planet.

Now all these teams are worse off than us?
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:50 PM   #125
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No, that's not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that a franchise QB isn't going to make enough of a difference all by himself.

Some of you seem to think this is a championship-caliber roster just missing a franchise QB.

It's far from that, and 23 wins in 4 years - as many as Cleveland, Buffalo, Oakland, Miami and Jacksonville - who are also missing a QB and according to most don't have the talent we do.

Let's use Oakland again.

Their QB situation has been even worse than ours over the past 4 years.

Coaching has been abysmal. Ownership as well.

98% of this board would say we have a TON more talent than Oakland.

Why do they have more wins in the last 4 years?

Hint: Because we're not as talented a roster as some of you think.
If we get a GM or HC that knows their shit and is able to hit on one or two draft picks per year, the talent deficiency is not going to take long to make up at all.

There's work to be done, sure. The point is that if teams like the Colts can draft a QB and get some other good players in the draft/free agency to fill in gaps, why the **** can't we?

Answer: Because we're the Chiefs and nothing ever goes right and we'll always be terrible boo hoo hoo

I'm tired of that ****ing attitude. It's possible to be realistic and still optimistic for the future.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:51 PM   #126
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That's a huge ****ing haul, dude.

We need 6 or 7 new starters.

QB
WR
LDE
RDE
ILB
CB
S

And we need massive improvement from current starters at:

LG
NT
TE

That's not an easy fix.

We need two offseasons, IMO, before we talk about serious playoff contention.

Next season, if Geno is drafted and plays at a solid level I think we can go 8-8 or so. No better.

The roster needs work.
And that's the key.

SERIOUS contention.

Too many people here are content with winning 8 or 9 games.

Jesus Christ himself at QB doesn't make this roster a Super Bowl champion - and that's all that matters.

Of course a franchise QB will make a huge difference. But until we start drafting better and signing solid FA's and not slapdicks, we're not going to become a consistent contender.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:51 PM   #127
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Geno and Cowher and this is a 10 win playoff team next year.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #128
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If we get a GM or HC that knows their shit and is able to hit on one or two draft picks per year, the talent deficiency is not going to take long to make up at all.

There's work to be done, sure. The point is that if teams like the Colts can draft a QB and get some other good players in the draft/free agency to fill in gaps, why the **** can't we?

Answer: Because we're the Chiefs and nothing ever goes right and we'll always be terrible boo hoo hoo

I'm tired of that ****ing attitude. It's possible to be realistic and still optimistic for the future.
Finally, some common sense.

It is going to take time.

Too many people think this roster as it stands is just missing a QB.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:52 PM   #129
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You come out of the next draft with a QB, WR, CB. Sign a free agent FS , grab some decent dlinmen and see what happens.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:53 PM   #130
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Let's use Oakland again.

Their QB situation has been even worse than ours over the past 4 years.

Coaching has been abysmal. Ownership as well.

98% of this board would say we have a TON more talent than Oakland.

Why do they have more wins in the last 4 years?

Hint: Because we're not as talented a roster as some of you think.
KC is more talented than OAK. In fact, I think the Chiefs are quite a bit more talented. However, all positions are ancillary to the QB, and without the QB the other talent cannot fully come to the fore.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:54 PM   #131
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OK OTWP, throw out what players exactly we need to upgrade and what spots?
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:54 PM   #132
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Geno and Cowher and this is a 10 win playoff team next year.
No.

We need to fix the defensive line and find a CB who isn't a burn magnet before the defense is legit.

We basically have no idea about this defense in real games vs real teams because they haven't been in the situation but once, and they gave up 30 points (2010 Ravens playoff game).

Does anyone think for a moment that if we were contending this year that Jalil Brown would not be a ****ing liability in a playoff game?
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:56 PM   #133
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Jalil has been playing better as of late, but he needs to be upgraded.


Take the dline. Have them 1 gap with Poe, Powe, Pitoatua, Bailey, draft pick 1, free agent 1.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:56 PM   #134
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That's a huge ****ing haul, dude.

We need 6 or 7 new starters.

QB
WR
LDE
RDE
ILB
CB
S

And we need massive improvement from current starters at:

LG
NT
TE

That's not an easy fix.

We need two offseasons, IMO, before we talk about serious playoff contention.

Next season, if Geno is drafted and plays at a solid level I think we can go 8-8 or so. No better.

The roster needs work.
A good front office can tackle most of that list in one offseason given our draft position and cap space. That good offseason (assuming we fix the QB and get a top notch coaching stuff) puts us in the hunt in year 1. 1 or 2 more good offseasons puts us in a serious hunt.

It's not as bad as it looks. Like I said, it's a much better position than most GMs walk into.
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KC is more talented than OAK. In fact, I think the Chiefs are quite a bit more talented. However, all positions are ancillary to the QB, and without the QB the other talent cannot fully come to the fore.
Oakland has been trotting out JaMarcus Russell, Jason Campbell, Kyle Boller and Carson Palmer over the past 4 years.

Their QB situation has been just as bad or worse. You say we have more talent.

2 fewer wins over 4 years.
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