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Old 12-26-2012, 06:21 PM  
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Anti-Gun Newspaper Outs Law-Abiding Gun Owners

If this is buried somewhere, I didn't see it. Don't really give a shit if it's a repost, either.

http://www.lohud.com/usatoday/article/1791507

N.Y. newspaper's gun-owner database draws criticism

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Thousands of people have taken to their computers and phones in rage after The Journal News posted an online database of local gun-permit holders.

The database, legally obtained from the County Clerks' Offices through a Freedom of Information Act request made after the shootings in Sandy Hook, Conn., that left 20 children and eight adults dead, has been called irresponsible, dangerous and leaning toward intimidation by online pundits.

Social media played a big part in the exponential spread of the story, whose map has been recommended more than 20,000 times. Two Facebo

Numerous additional comments relating to the gun-permit map have appeared on posts in other unrelated articles. More than a dozen more people sent private messages via Facebook objecting to the map. The overwhelming majority of comments strongly object to the article.ok posts linking to the article on Sunday garnered 346 comments as of Tuesday evening. That's in addition to 167 comments posted directly to Facebook.com/LoHud since the article was published.

The database also was mentioned in the Drudge Report, Memorandum.com, Breitbart.com, Thegatewaypundit.com, Instapundit, iOwnTheWorld.com and UrbanGrounds, along with Yahoo, ABC News and Fox News, among others.

More than 500 comments -- on both sides of the debate -- accompanied an article on CNN.com Tuesday.

The Journal News is owned by Gannett Co. Inc., which is also the parent company of USA TODAY.

Hundreds of callers have complained, claiming publication of the database put their safety at risk or violated their privacy. Others claimed publication was illegal. Many of the callers were vitriolic and some threatened members of the newspaper staff.

"New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information," said Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group.

Robert Freeman, executive director of the state Committee on Open Government and an expert in the state's Freedom of Information law, has said all government records and data are presumed public unless a specific statute bars their release. Names and addresses are specifically deemed public records, he said.

This is not the first time The Journal News has been criticized for publishing information about gun permits. A similar article in 2006 received similar responses, although social media did not play as large a part in the spread of the article or of the complaints.

"We knew publication of the database would be controversial, but we felt sharing as much information as we could about gun ownership in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," said CynDee Royle, editor and vice president/news.

"People are concerned about who owns guns and how many of them there are in their neighborhoods," she said. "Our Freedom of Information request also sought specifics on how many and what types of weapons people owned. That portion of the request was denied."

Scott F. Williams, 41, of Haddon Heights, N.J., who served in the Marines as a rifleman, was one of the very few callers who agreed to identify themselves and comment on why they called.

"This is what I see," he said. "It's all in the context of the shootings in Newtown ... it gets us all talking about gun control. That people are at a heightened concern makes sense to me. I am a gun owner and a pro-Second-Amendment (person). I try to be rational." He called the newspaper's decision to link to the database "highly Orwellian."

"The implications are mind-boggling," he said. "It's as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It's, in my mind, crazy."

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Welcome to the Peoples Republik of New York, kids. Frankly, I don't know what's worse - the fact that this ****ing liberal rag actually did this, or the fact that some dumbass government official felt it was appropriate to release the information. Outing law abiding citizens guilty of nothing but exercising their constitutional rights - what a disgusting, despicable, dangerous abuse of power and betrayal of the public trust. Sane people don't advertise to their neighbors that they own guns - they don't flash them in the window, they don't have GUNS HERE INQUIRE WITHIN signs in their yards. Just like conceal carry, anonymity is important here. Now any punk who clicks on this site will know where they can go steal a gun. It essentially rings the dinner bell for them - just find a remote house on this list, and if nobody's home, break in and start looking. I guess if these gun owners didn't have alarm systems before, they'd better get one now. And so much for leaving your pistol in the nightstand - now you'll need an expensive safe. Thank God most thieving scumbags who'd steal guns don't read the news (or anything else), but surely somebody's going to take advantage of this, and when it happens, I sure as hell hope these ****ing vermin are held accountable for their irresponsible actions.

If my name and address was on this list..... well, my reaction sure as **** wouldn't be a sternly-worded e-mail.

But of course, these vile twats will hide behind the First Amendment. Gotta love people shitting on Constitution and then hiding behind it when the outrage hits.

And that idiot Direckshun had the balls to complain about the money the NRA raises, when the opposition has the ability to pull crap like this.

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Old 12-30-2012, 02:16 PM   #31
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If you don't want to be on a publicly available list as a gun permit holder than don't get a gun permit.
Weak. Kinda like: I'm not doing anything wrong or have anything to hide so the govt can spy on us.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:22 PM   #32
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How disappointing.
What, because I'm not an idiot? I guess you'll have to pick up the slack for me.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:27 PM   #33
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How disappointing.
Why? People who carry and conceal are concealing. I have a friend who does. When my mom visited I told her and she freaked-out. He told me to never announce that he carried. He never did.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:32 PM   #34
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Not knowing who does and doesn't have a gun is what makes conceal carry an effective deterrent. That's why it's a better solution for schools than armed guards. Guards are obvious. They also tend to stay in a fixed location or follow a fixed pattern. And they're guards, not seals. Killer's ready to shoot, the guard's not - easy target for somebody determined to kill. But the killer might easily dismiss and walk right past somebody concealing a weapon, and that person has a much better chance at taking him out before he does any serious damage.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:43 PM   #35
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Really?

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Old 12-30-2012, 02:47 PM   #36
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Just hoping you were joking with that last post. I mean...if that is the top then...

lol

That is bad.
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Old 12-30-2012, 02:50 PM   #37
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lol

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Then let's make public funded abortions public. (sarcasm font)

What did the newspaper gain by publishing this info? Hopefully canceled subscriptions.
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What did the newspaper gain by publishing this info? Hopefully canceled subscriptions.
It was a chickenshit way to sell papers and nothing more. The bad that could come from it vastly exceeds any value from it. They could have simply put out the number of gun owners and accomplished the same thing~
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It was a chickenshit way to sell papers and nothing more. The bad that could come from it vastly exceeds any value from it. They could have simply put out the number of gun owners and accomplished the same thing~
Agree 100%.

Citizens who obey the local gun laws, pay for guns with PRIVATE funds should not be public information. When the government starts paying for my guns and CCW permits they can list me in any periodical/rag he wants.
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Then let's make public funded abortions public. (sarcasm font)

What did the newspaper gain by publishing this info? Hopefully canceled subscriptions.
Maybe we should, along with food stamp and welfare recipients.

Something tells me they wouldn't like it.
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Except it shows by process of elimination who doesn't have a gun permit inviting criminals to make them targets. It's almost like the left wants another shooting so they can create a crisis to ban more guns. Way to go, Gorilla.

This is what's wrong with requiring a permit. It reduces privacy.
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Not knowing who does and doesn't have a gun is what makes conceal carry an effective deterrent. That's why it's a better solution for schools than armed guards. Guards are obvious. They also tend to stay in a fixed location or follow a fixed pattern. And they're guards, not seals. Killer's ready to shoot, the guard's not - easy target for somebody determined to kill. But the killer might easily dismiss and walk right past somebody concealing a weapon, and that person has a much better chance at taking him out before he does any serious damage.
Agree.
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