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Old 12-21-2012, 10:16 AM  
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NRA: Society has left children 'utterly defenseless'

NRA: Society has left children 'utterly defenseless'
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(CNN) Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, said "for all the noise and anger directed at us ... nobody has addressed the most important, pressing and immediate question we face: How do we protect our children right now ... in a way that we know works."

At a press event in Washington, LaPierre said U.S. society has left children "utterly defenseless."

A protester interrupted the NRA appearance before reporters with a banner accusing the NRA of killing children. The protester was led out of the room as he shouted anti-NRA slogans.

LaPierre added that violent crime is increasing in the U.S. due to a lack of willing to prosecute such acts.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:58 PM   #91
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Society has caused this IMO. How many kids now instead of going outside working on cars, hunting, enjoying sports or outdoors, instead sit on their ass all day playing COD loaded up on SSRI's and other shit because they don't live normal social lives and don't know how to behave and aren't disciplined. It all starts w/ parenting IMO.
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:59 PM   #92
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lol how do you figure?
How are "volunteer armed guards" going to take out someone who arms themself with military style weaponary and full body armor?

Does the NRA want to use Navy SEALs to guard schools?

Also why are pro-gun people against having detailed background checks for ALL gun purchases... including at gun shows?
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:01 PM   #93
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Virginia Tech had an entire armed campus police force.

Didn't stop the deadliest school shooting in US history.
restricted gun laws wouldn't have stopped it either.

true....but they're not standing guard at every building on campus...a campus that can easily a few square miles in size...esp one the size of Vtech.

Sandy Hook is a much smaller building/area.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:02 PM   #94
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Is it too radical, too outlandish, too OBVIOUS, to state that we cannot protect every member of society, or any subset (including innocent kids) from every risk and danger, and that certainly includes lunatics wielding guns who decide to do the absolutely unthinkable and mass murder little kids.

I'm perfectly fine with trying to figure out reasonable precautions, including better security, but having thousands upon thousands of schools with a mall cop on board doesn't make a helluva lot of sense to me. Neither does some "let's ban all guns" argument that will never fly in a million years.

Here's the thing -- ultimately, schools and schoolgrounds are UNQUESTIONABLY going to be easy, open and obvious places where tons of helpless people are going to congregate. Unless you turn them all into a Leavenworth, even if you had some mall cop hanging around, that won't protect kids right before or after school, where if a monster wants to mow down kids, there isn't a whole lot that can really be done.

I realize I'm heartlessly pragmatic, but mall cop is a ridiculous proposal on its face.

Gun control isn't realistically going to get us much furhter either. Unless you forced everyone back to Revolutionary War era muzzle loading rifles (good luck with that), any whacko is going to be able to do an absurd amount of damage in a VERY short time with any kind of gun beyond the BB variety.

It's easy to overreact to such a tragedy. Again, I have no issue with having a panel of experts on security and schools assess what can realistically be done, but I doubt the answer lies in some kind of heightened gun control, and I'm 1000% confident it's not having some fool with a gun on school grounds.
mall cops walk around with a walkie-talkie and an attitude. Maybe pepper spray, but probably not.

I know its a cute phrase that you think might help support your argument, but calling armed guards "mall cops" is just flat-out silly.

As the NRA noted, we have armed guards at banks, some office buildings, courts, every federal building, and even sports stadiums.

Why are we wasting our money on those "mall cops"?

Most people's problem with this proposal comes from one or both of these:

1) "The NRA proposed it, and it was not gun control."

2) "If we do this, congress will very likely say 'good enough' and not implement any form of gun control, but I got my hopes up for pointless gun control laws that I supported for years, and to see them fail when I think we might be close is just unacceptable."
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:02 PM   #95
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Obviously the NRA doesn't understand what their members want, because recent polling suggests most NRA members ARE in favor of sensible gun regulations.

74% of NRA members favor requiring a criminal background check of anyone purchasing a gun (close the gun shows loophole). No mention of this during the NRA PR event today.

The complete polling data report is here:
http://www.mayorsagainstillegalguns....07-24-2012.pdf

The pro-gun people who will immediately try to attack the source of this polling data report saying that "Mayors AGainst Illegal Guns" is an anti-gun organization should take note of the fact that the polling data was collected by Frank Luntz's company.

Frank Luntz is not exactly a liberal's best friend.
This is what I'm trying to say. Even NRA members agree that something should be done. Whoever is running the NRA are completely out of touch. **** them! I know I had people in my office (non gun owners) feeling good about potential change towards gun safety. Even they agree that no one is going to take our guns, but they were excited about possible change. After the NRA spoke today, they're all back to screaming at gun owners. **** the NRA leadership.
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restricted gun laws wouldn't have stopped it either.

true....but they're not standing guard at every building on campus...a campus that can easily a few square miles in size...esp one the size of Vtech.

Sandy Hook is a much smaller building/area.
Sandy Hook is smaller, but there are many elementary/middle/high schools that are huge, campus-like facilities with mutiple buildings and entry points into the school.
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How are "volunteer armed guards" going to take out someone who arms themself with military style weaponary and full body armor?

Does the NRA want to use Navy SEALs to guard schools?

Also why are pro-gun people against having detailed background checks for ALL gun purchases... including at gun shows?
Don't you understand that usually when these turds do this AS SOON AS they're confronted they either kill themselves or scatter off like pussies, because they're cowards and they take the easy way out?

They go to places like schools because there are no guns there

No guns = no threat to the criminal.

And there is already laws/background checks you have to go through before buying a firearm.
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This is what I'm trying to say. Even NRA members agree that something should be done. Whoever is running the NRA are completely out of touch. **** them! I know I had people in my office (non gun owners) feeling good about potential change towards gun safety. Even they agree that no one is going to take our guns, but they were excited about possible change. After the NRA spoke today, they're all back to screaming at gun owners. **** the NRA leadership.
"something" does not equal any new gun control, at all. Requiring background checks for private-party transactions and gifts wont do jack to reduce gun violence, and the NRA members will not support whatever it is you probably think we need to do.
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Sandy Hook is smaller, but there are many elementary/middle/high schools that are huge, campus-like facilities with mutiple buildings and entry points into the school.
Then you arm the teachers and faculty. Every situation can be different.

Like I said earlier ....as soon as these cowards are confronted by anyone who appears as a threat they off themselves.
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Don't you understand that usually when these turds do this AS SOON AS they're confronted they either kill themselves or scatter off like pussies, because they're cowards and they take the easy way out?

They go to places like schools because there are no guns there

No guns = no threat to the criminal.

And there is already laws/background checks you have to go through before buying a firearm.
40% of gun purchases do not require a background check.
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mall cops walk around with a walkie-talkie and an attitude. Maybe pepper spray, but probably not.

I know its a cute phrase that you think might help support your argument, but calling armed guards "mall cops" is just flat-out silly.

As the NRA noted, we have armed guards at banks, some office buildings, courts, every federal building, and even sports stadiums.

Why are we wasting our money on those "mall cops"?

Most people's problem with this proposal comes from one or both of these:

1) "The NRA proposed it, and it was not gun control."

2) "If we do this, congress will very likely say 'good enough' and not implement any form of gun control, but I got my hopes up for pointless gun control laws that I supported for years, and to see them fail when I think we might be close is just unacceptable."
But they are mall cops essentially. They are low paying jobs with very little training. Basically they are there for show and hopefully to deter someone.
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How are "volunteer armed guards" going to take out someone who arms themself with military style weaponary and full body armor?


Military style weaponry. Jesus, not this again.

Assault weapons are less deadly than handguns, unless you are outside in a distance. I HOPE shooters continue to use these types of "military style weapons", because the guard will be using a gun that is more effective.
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Military style weaponry. Jesus, not this again.

Assault weapons are less deadly than handguns, unless you are outside in a distance. I HOPE shooters continue to use these types of "military style weapons", because the guard will be using a gun that is more effective.
What are you arming these "volunteer armed guards" with to pierce through full military style body armor that these recent mass shooters are now wearing?
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