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Old 12-20-2012, 04:00 PM  
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More Veterans Die While Waiting for Benefits

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Your government mandated benefits and healthcare at work.... enjoy and just wait - you are next

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Old 12-21-2012, 08:59 AM   #2
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The VA disability backlog has absolutely dick to do with "government healthcare" or inefficiency and everything to do with this. More claimants in a fixed system leads to longer delays in adjudicating cases.

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In 2010, Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki issued a ruling granting benefits to 158,000 Vietnam veterans who suffered from ischemic heart disease, Parkinson’s disease. and two types of cancer—neither the kind of leukemia that killed John Conrad—that the agency previously had denied were caused by Agent Orange.

Officials said that decision, a response to a federal court ruling in Northern California, was responsible for about half of the payouts in 2012.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:00 AM   #3
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The VA disability backlog has absolutely dick to do with "government healthcare" or inefficiency and everything to do with this. More claimants in a fixed system leads to longer delays in adjudicating cases.
No it doesn't...or rather the point KCW made went right over your head.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:03 AM   #4
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No it doesn't...or rather the point KCW made went right over your head.
What's his point, exactly. Government-run healthcare is going to kill people?
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:10 AM   #5
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If the system is back logged why can two individuals go in with similar disability claims for benefits and one get's served considerably sooner than the other?

I would set the basis of service on personalities, the personality of the person filling out the paperwork and processing it with another person being lesser than the first processor. I estimate the system is antiquated and the people, being government employees, are less motivated to attempt to take the extra steps to ensure all are treated or given benefits in a timely manner.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:23 AM   #6
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If the system is back logged why can two individuals go in with similar disability claims for benefits and one get's served considerably sooner than the other?
The answer is that different offices vary wildly in efficiency, competence, caseloads, and/or staffing.

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Nationwide, about 900,000 veterans and their families have been waiting about nine months for a decision on their claims, with those in America’s major urban areas waiting the longest. As of October, the most recent month for which numbers are available, the average wait time for a veteran was 15 months in Chicago, 16 months in New York and a year and a half in Los Angeles.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:29 AM   #7
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The answer is that different offices vary wildly in efficiency, competence, caseloads, and/or staffing.
That is what I pointed out in my second paragraph. But in larger population areas the staffing is greater than in the smaller branch offices.
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Old 12-21-2012, 09:34 AM   #8
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Awesome opening post and I agree we should let more vets die. Why should they have that stupid guberment healthcare.

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:43 AM   #10
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Awesome opening post and I agree we should let more vets die. Why should they have that stupid guberment healthcare.

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:58 AM   #11
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What's his point, exactly. Government-run healthcare is going to kill people?
The inherent problem with Government bureaucracy. What governemnt run anything does is manipulate winners and losers. Which is immoral and unfair.>>
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Old 12-21-2012, 10:08 AM   #12
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The inherent problem with Government bureaucracy. What governemnt run anything does is manipulate winners and losers. Which is immoral and unfair.>>
That's barely English, but I'll see if I can clarify things for you.

Welcome to the way of the world. Health (and indemnity, etc.) insurers pick "winners and losers" by paying or denying benefits. Schools pick "winners and losers" in assigning grades. Stock markets pick "winners and losers" via share price. And yes, governments do it too. Disability is subjective..... someone has to make that decision.

It's a function of limited resources.
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Old 12-21-2012, 11:09 AM   #13
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That's barely English, but I'll see if I can clarify things for you.

Welcome to the way of the world. Health (and indemnity, etc.) insurers pick "winners and losers" by paying or denying benefits. Schools pick "winners and losers" in assigning grades. Stock markets pick "winners and losers" via share price. And yes, governments do it too. Disability is subjective..... someone has to make that decision.

It's a function of limited resources.
There is an inherent difference between deciding to participate in your examples and being legally obligated and forced to use government run healthcare.

Insurance is something that you pay for and has a contract attached to it. Either it fallls under contract or it doesn't. If you as a citizen feel that insurance will not help, you do not have to use it. It was not mandated by the Government.

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The stockmarket is something citizens are not legally obligated to buy.

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Old 12-21-2012, 01:02 PM   #14
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The VA disability backlog has absolutely dick to do with "government healthcare" or inefficiency and everything to do with this. More claimants in a fixed system leads to longer delays in adjudicating cases.
Thank goodness there won't be backlog with the millions of newly "insured".
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Old 12-21-2012, 01:03 PM   #15
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Awesome opening post and I agree we should let more vets die. Why should they have that stupid guberment healthcare.

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Nope, you are correct sir. Free healthcare for everyone. We can manufacture doctors and healthcare facilities at will.
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