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Old 12-12-2012, 07:11 AM  
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Why is the GOP resisting renewal of the Violence Against Women Act?

Reportedly, the GOP wants to carve out exceptions against women in samesex couples, American Indians, and, of course, illegal immigrants.

Somebody explain this rationale to me in a way that doesn't make the GOP look bafflingly insane.

You guys understand the GOP just got destroyed in November by the women vote, right?

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/e...1.html?refer=y

Editorial: Renew and expand support for women
Violence Against Women Act provides needed safeguards.
Article by: EDITORIAL BOARD , Star Tribune
Updated: December 11, 2012 - 9:51 PM

In 1994, during the Clinton administration, Congress passed the Violence Against Women Act. That landmark legislation authorized funds for rape crisis centers and domestic violence shelters, the establishment of a national hot line for victims, and measures such as education programs for judges, law enforcement officers and prosecutors.

The law remains critical in battling domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking, of which women remain the overwhelming targets. In the past, Congress readily supported reauthorization of the act, and even expanded its scope to address the needs of disabled women, older women and teens.

But this year's reauthorization has been stalled over the U.S. Senate's effort to better protect Native Americans, undocumented immigrants and LGBT abuse victims. The Senate bill was passed with bipartisan support in April, but the House version, adopted in May, eliminated the additional protections at the insistence of the GOP's right wing.

It's simply indefensible to exclude victims because of their immigration status, sexual orientation, race or ethnicity. Under no circumstances should America become a place that tolerates women being raped or beaten unless they're heterosexual U.S. citizens, not of Native American heritage.

Undocumented women risk deportation if they report abuse, which their abusers exploit. Nonheterosexual women are often turned away from domestic violence shelters and denied orders of protection. And Native American women face higher rates of sexual assault, mostly at the hands of non-Indians.

Tribal courts have no authority to prosecute non-Indians. As a result, victims have few resources for protection, and abusers often are never held accountable. The Senate's bill grants limited jurisdiction -- a constitutional sticking point for many Republicans, such as Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin, who noted that "the Bill of Rights does not apply in tribal courts." But a smart, new proposal offered by two Republicans, including Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, a member of the Chickasaw Nation, would give defendants the option to move the case to federal courts.

"There are 535 members of Congress, and 534 of them could go on the Sioux Reservation, commit a crime and not be subjected to local jurisdiction," Cole told Indian Country Today Media Network. "Most American communities have local jurisdiction; Native Americans do not. It's not right."

Nationally, an average of three women are murdered every day by a current or former partner. An estimated 2.3 people are raped or physically assaulted by someone they know. Besides the human toll, the health care, employment, legal and other costs are staggering.

The Violence Against Women Act has long enjoyed bipartisan support. Vice President Joe Biden, then a U.S. senator from Delaware, introduced the original bill, which garnered 225 cosponsors, including vocal support from Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat.

You'd think the GOP opposition would eagerly rally behind female crime victims, given the backlash faced from remarks that cost two Senate candidates their elections. In defending staunch opposition to abortion, Missouri Rep. Todd Akin spoke of "legitimate rape" and Indiana's Richard Mourdock insisted that pregnancies that result from rape were intended by God.

Lawmakers have had the common sense to put aside differences to back this act for the past 18 years. It's critical that they do so again before year's end so that the legislative process won't have to start all over again. Women's lives and safety are on the line.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:53 AM   #31
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It's pretty clear right now that you simply don't know what you're talking about.
Why bother...repubs keep these attitudes and keep running candidates with these attitudes (i.e. Akin et al) they will quickly go the way of the whigs. Which is fine on many levels.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:55 AM   #32
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The name of the act?



Who gives a shit about the name of the act? Do we need to run down the 15,000 times Congress has passed a bill with names that are misnomers, hilariously misleading, or just plain stupid? Do we?



You might have a case if it excluded men from any of the law's provisions.

It doesn't.

You are out to sea, brother. Come back.
We'll when we title something a certain way it leaves a certain perception...so how many men are admitted at these women shelters?

As soon as I have time, I'll read the entire act.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:56 AM   #33
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It's pretty clear right now...
I do. You're just not getting it because you have a closed mind on subject.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:57 AM   #34
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We'll when we title something a certain way it leaves a certain perception...so how many men are admitted at these women shelters?

As soon as I have time, I'll read the entire act.
Embarrassing.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:58 AM   #35
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Let's work through this, because it really is important that you have an idea about this issue. Domestic violence is real and serious.

1. We can all agree that it's bad, at least. Right?

2. In 1994, VAWA was introduced to combat it:

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The act has evolved from a small criminal justice initiative to a multidisciplinary federal effort to address the needs of women, men and children threatened by domestic and sexual violence. Policies and programs introduced since the act became law have been credited with providing lifesaving assistance to hundreds of thousands of victims. Incentives in the act also have encouraged the states to address the problem more assertively.
3. Since then, domestic violence against women has fallen 50%. It's fallen against men, too. And the worst kinds of domestic violence against women, murder, has fallen 30%. (Link.)

So I'll ask again -- why has the GOP resisted renewing the Violence Against Women Act?
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:01 AM   #36
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Why bother...repubs keep these attitudes and keep running candidates with these attitudes (i.e. Akin et al) they will quickly go the way of the whigs. Which is fine on many levels.
Because my desire to continue combating domestic violence supercedes my interest in the GOP committing political suicide.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:03 AM   #37
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Because my desire to continue combating domestic violence supercedes my interest in the GOP committing political suicide.
Fight on, keyboard warrior
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:12 AM   #38
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We'll when we title something a certain way it leaves a certain perception...so how many men are admitted at these women shelters?

As soon as I have time, I'll read the entire act.
I'm with Brock. This has been an embarrassment.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:13 AM   #39
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Let's work through this, because it really is important that you have an idea about this issue. Domestic violence is real and serious.

1. We can all agree that it's bad, at least. Right?

2. In 1994, VAWA was introduced to combat it:



3. Since then, domestic violence against women has fallen 50%. It's fallen against men, too. And the worst kinds of domestic violence against women, murder, has fallen 30%. (Link.)

So I'll ask again -- why has the GOP resisted renewing the Violence Against Women Act?

which could or could not be related to this act.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:25 AM   #40
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I'm with Brock. This has been an embarrassment.
I was always taught to pick and choose your battles but it seems for the last several years Republicans haven't learned that lesson apparently. They fight over the stupidest things and all it does is marginalize them.
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Why is this even a federal issue? Crime is dealt with at the local level, as it has been historically,
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Why is this even a federal issue? Crime is dealt with at the local level, as it has been historically,
That was going to be my next point.
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:05 AM   #43
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Wouldn't hurt to have some menial education on a topic you've decided to have an opinion on.

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I was always taught to pick and choose your battles but it seems for the last several years Republicans haven't learned that lesson apparently. They fight over the stupidest things and all it does is marginalize them.
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Why is this even a federal issue? Crime is dealt with at the local level, as it has been historically,
Why is this a federal issue? Congress states their reasons in the act. And there was a supreme court case on this several years ago, and whether provisions of the act were within the boundaries of Congress's ability to regulate interstate commerce.

In other words, your question was great 12-25 years ago.
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