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Old 12-12-2012, 08:11 AM  
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Why is the GOP resisting renewal of the Violence Against Women Act?

Reportedly, the GOP wants to carve out exceptions against women in samesex couples, American Indians, and, of course, illegal immigrants.

Somebody explain this rationale to me in a way that doesn't make the GOP look bafflingly insane.

You guys understand the GOP just got destroyed in November by the women vote, right?

http://www.startribune.com/opinion/e...1.html?refer=y

Editorial: Renew and expand support for women
Violence Against Women Act provides needed safeguards.
Article by: EDITORIAL BOARD , Star Tribune
Updated: December 11, 2012 - 9:51 PM

In 1994, during the Clinton administration, Congress passed the Violence Against Women Act. That landmark legislation authorized funds for rape crisis centers and domestic violence shelters, the establishment of a national hot line for victims, and measures such as education programs for judges, law enforcement officers and prosecutors.

The law remains critical in battling domestic violence, sexual assault and stalking, of which women remain the overwhelming targets. In the past, Congress readily supported reauthorization of the act, and even expanded its scope to address the needs of disabled women, older women and teens.

But this year's reauthorization has been stalled over the U.S. Senate's effort to better protect Native Americans, undocumented immigrants and LGBT abuse victims. The Senate bill was passed with bipartisan support in April, but the House version, adopted in May, eliminated the additional protections at the insistence of the GOP's right wing.

It's simply indefensible to exclude victims because of their immigration status, sexual orientation, race or ethnicity. Under no circumstances should America become a place that tolerates women being raped or beaten unless they're heterosexual U.S. citizens, not of Native American heritage.

Undocumented women risk deportation if they report abuse, which their abusers exploit. Nonheterosexual women are often turned away from domestic violence shelters and denied orders of protection. And Native American women face higher rates of sexual assault, mostly at the hands of non-Indians.

Tribal courts have no authority to prosecute non-Indians. As a result, victims have few resources for protection, and abusers often are never held accountable. The Senate's bill grants limited jurisdiction -- a constitutional sticking point for many Republicans, such as Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin, who noted that "the Bill of Rights does not apply in tribal courts." But a smart, new proposal offered by two Republicans, including Oklahoma Rep. Tom Cole, a member of the Chickasaw Nation, would give defendants the option to move the case to federal courts.

"There are 535 members of Congress, and 534 of them could go on the Sioux Reservation, commit a crime and not be subjected to local jurisdiction," Cole told Indian Country Today Media Network. "Most American communities have local jurisdiction; Native Americans do not. It's not right."

Nationally, an average of three women are murdered every day by a current or former partner. An estimated 2.3 people are raped or physically assaulted by someone they know. Besides the human toll, the health care, employment, legal and other costs are staggering.

The Violence Against Women Act has long enjoyed bipartisan support. Vice President Joe Biden, then a U.S. senator from Delaware, introduced the original bill, which garnered 225 cosponsors, including vocal support from Sen. Paul Wellstone, a Minnesota Democrat.

You'd think the GOP opposition would eagerly rally behind female crime victims, given the backlash faced from remarks that cost two Senate candidates their elections. In defending staunch opposition to abortion, Missouri Rep. Todd Akin spoke of "legitimate rape" and Indiana's Richard Mourdock insisted that pregnancies that result from rape were intended by God.

Lawmakers have had the common sense to put aside differences to back this act for the past 18 years. It's critical that they do so again before year's end so that the legislative process won't have to start all over again. Women's lives and safety are on the line.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:54 AM   #16
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Certainly you can agree with me that this should be renewed.

If not, do explain.
I haven't read all that stuff nor do I intend to. My guess is there is a lot more to the act than simply protecting women. The devil is usually in the details, and it's easy to demonize people who don't support it. You can just say they hate women. Winner!
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:58 AM   #17
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I love the "women are under attack in the country" bullshit.


Its not true...not even close.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:05 AM   #18
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I love the "women are under attack in the country" bullshit.


Its not true...not even close.
You could see it coming during the last election. I expect it to be part of the dialogue from Democrats for quite some time. They want to use it as the same type of tool they use to get the minority vote. Paint Republicans as some sort of hate group.
The Republicans are equally to blame, though. They say stupid things and do a miserable job selling any message of their own.
But I don't expect the "War on Women" campaign talk to go away anytime soon.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:06 AM   #19
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I love the "women are under attack in the country" bullshit.


Its not true...not even close.
True.

They only get attacked when they use wheat bread instead of white to make my sandwich.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:10 AM   #20
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I love the "women are under attack in the country" bullshit.


Its not true...not even close.
The problem is that the GOP is foolish enough to allow that to become the perception, and that perception causes the GOP to lose votes, and ultimately to lose elections.

If you don't want the Democrats to be able to make the conversation all about "women under attack", don't trot out candidates like Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock and Rick Santorum and Michele Bachman.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:30 AM   #21
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Because the GOP hates women. Of course.
No, they don't. They're just tone deaf and not very bright. Seriously, how stupid do they have to be to not recognize what a bad idea stalling this is?
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:32 AM   #22
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I read the article. I understand they are talking about funding for shelters, but that is not the only provisions of the act. I would support it if it had a wholtistic view and didn't discriminate against some Americans. Like...men.
It doesn't. Men are victims are domestic abuse as well, and can receive most, if not all, of the support women receive under the provisions.

From the VAWA itself:

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(6) DOMESTIC VIOLENCE- The term `domestic violence’ includes felony or misdemeanor crimes of violence committed by a current or former spouse of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabitating with or has cohabitated with the victim as a spouse, by a person similarly situated to a spouse of the victim under the domestic or family violence laws of the jurisdiction receiving grant monies, or by any other person against an adult or youth victim who is protected from that person’s acts under the domestic or family violence laws of the jurisdiction.
Where's the gendered language? Where's the lack of equal protection?

In other words: where are you getting this shit, Garcia Bronco?

You are leveling uninformed, blatantly wrong observations based on, I'm guessing, nothing.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:35 AM   #23
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I haven't read all that stuff nor do I intend to. My guess is there is a lot more to the act than simply protecting women. The devil is usually in the details, and it's easy to demonize people who don't support it. You can just say they hate women. Winner!
Are you serious with this shit.

You understand you're shitting on people fighting on an issue on which you're admitting being completely uninformed.

How far does your head need to be up your ass for you to think this post was a good idea.

If the GOP is fighting it, it must be bad. That's literally the only reasoning you and Garcia Bronco are exercising.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:37 AM   #24
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The problem is that the GOP is foolish enough to allow that to become the perception, and that perception causes the GOP to lose votes, and ultimately to lose elections.

If you don't want the Democrats to be able to make the conversation all about "women under attack", don't trot out candidates like Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock and Rick Santorum and Michele Bachman.
Or resist renewing VAWA.

Honestly, the GOP has resisted VAWA all year and yet they wonder why they lost women by huge margins in November.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:41 AM   #25
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The problem is that the GOP is foolish enough to allow that to become the perception, and that perception causes the GOP to lose votes, and ultimately to lose elections.

If you don't want the Democrats to be able to make the conversation all about "women under attack", don't trot out candidates like Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock and Rick Santorum and Michele Bachman.
I wouldn't say they're letting it become the perception. I think the media is the one prompting this message by taking things out of context.

It almost seems that disagreeing with subsidizing the vagina in this country is considered an attack on women, which may be true in some cases, but generally speaking it's bullshit IMO.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:47 AM   #26
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It doesn't. Men are victims are domestic abuse as well, and can receive most, if not all, of the support women receive under the provisions.

From the VAWA itself:



Where's the gendered language? Where's the lack of equal protection?

In other words: where are you getting this shit, Garcia Bronco?

You are leveling uninformed, blatantly wrong observations based on, I'm guessing, nothing.

Except the name of the act and the way you are framing the argument. Including but not limited to the articles posted in this thread. Not a one cites what were talking about. There shouldn't be a distinction in gender, or race, or a number of things in our laws. It's blatantly unconstitutional.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:48 AM   #27
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It's quite simple: this is something that should be left to the states.
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The problem is that the GOP is foolish enough to allow that to become the perception, and that perception causes the GOP to lose votes, and ultimately to lose elections.

If you don't want the Democrats to be able to make the conversation all about "women under attack", don't trot out candidates like Todd Akins and Richard Mourdock and Rick Santorum and Michele Bachman.
This.
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It almost seems that disagreeing with subsidizing the vagina in this country is considered an attack on women, which may be true in some cases, but generally speaking it's bullshit IMO.
It's pretty clear right now that you simply don't know what you're talking about.
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Except the name of the act and the way you are framing the argument.
The name of the act?



Who gives a shit about the name of the act? Do we need to run down the 15,000 times Congress has passed a bill with names that are misnomers, hilariously misleading, or just plain stupid? Do we?

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Including but not limited to the articles posted in this thread. Not a one cites what were talking about. There shouldn't be a distinction in gender, or race, or a number of things in our laws. It's blatantly unconstitutional.
You might have a case if it excluded men from any of the law's provisions.

It doesn't.

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