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Old 12-12-2012, 07:56 AM  
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Scientists may have finally discovered why you're gay.

That's right, YOU.

YOU'RE ALL GAY.

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Scientists May Have Finally Unlocked Puzzle of Why People Are Gay
Lesbians get it from fathers, gay men from mothers?
By Jason Koebler
December 11, 2012

Scientists may have finally solved the puzzle of what makes a person gay, and how it is passed from parents to their children.

A group of scientists suggested Tuesday that homosexuals get that trait from their opposite-sex parents: A lesbian will almost always get the trait from her father, while a gay man will get the trait from his mother.

The hereditary link of homosexuality has long been established, but scientists knew it was not a strictly genetic link, because there are many pairs of identical twins who have differing sexualities. Scientists from the National Institute for Mathematical and Biological Synthesis say homosexuality seems to have an epigenetic, not a genetic link.

Long thought to have some sort of hereditary link, a group of scientists suggested Tuesday that homosexuality is linked to epi-marks — extra layers of information that control how certain genes are expressed. These epi-marks are usually, but not always, "erased" between generations. In homosexuals, these epi-marks aren't erased — they're passed from father-to-daughter or mother-to-son, explains William Rice, an evolutionary biologist at the University of California Santa Barbara and lead author of the study.

"There is compelling evidence that epi-marks contribute to both the similarity and dissimilarity of family members, and can therefore feasibly contribute to the observed familial inheritance of homosexuality and its low concordance between [identical] twins," Rice notes.

Rice and his team created a mathematical model that explains why homosexuality is passed through epi-marks, not genetics. Evolutionarily speaking, if homosexuality was solely a genetic trait, scientists would expect the trait to eventually disappear because homosexuals wouldn't be expected to reproduce. But because these epi-marks provide an evolutionary advantage for the parents of homosexuals: They protect fathers of homosexuals from underexposure to testosterone and mothers of homosexuals from overexposure to testosterone while they are in gestation.

"These epi-marks protect fathers and mothers from excess or underexposure to testosterone — when they carry over to opposite-sex offspring, it can cause the masculinization of females or the feminization of males," Rice says, which can lead to a child becoming gay. Rice notes that these markers are "highly variable" and that only strong epi-marks will result in a homosexual offspring.

Though scientists have long suspected some sort of genetic link, Rice says studies attempting to explain why people are gay have been few and far between.

"Most mainstream biologists have shied away from studying it because of the social stigma," he says. "It's been swept under the rug, people are still stuck on this idea that it's unnatural. Well there are many examples of homosexuality in nature, it's very common." Homosexual behavior has been observed in black swans, penguins, sheep, and other animals, he says.

Rice's model still needs to be tested on real-life parent-offspring pairs, but he says this epigenetic link makes more sense than any other explanation, and that his team has mapped out a way for other scientists to test their work.

"We've found a story that looks really good," he says. "There's more verification needed, but we point out how we can easily do epigenetic profiles genome-wide. We predict where the epi-marks occur, we just need other studies to look at it empirically. This can be tested and proven within six months. It's easy to test. If it's a bad idea, we can throw it away in short order."

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Old 12-12-2012, 09:53 PM   #61
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That's pretty much where I'm at.
Where are you at when it comes to closet homosexuals?
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:55 PM   #62
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What? That's a dumb question.
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:57 PM   #63
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What? That's a dumb question.
I'm just curious how you explain someone choosing to be gay and then hiding the fact from everyone and living a miserable life because they're too scared to come out.

Wouldn't it make sense for that person to simply not choose to be gay instead?
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Old 12-12-2012, 09:59 PM   #64
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How will it explain people who change back to being straight after thinking they were gay. Ya' know folks like Ann Heche? There are people who are just confused and some who experiment in the mix.
This is not an either-or proposition.

Most people with large non-asian eyes are born that way. A tiny few are asians obsessed with looks who got surgery.

Just because you can point to a few anecdotal cases of mentally troubled people who thought they were gay and ended up not being gay (or perhaps they were and societal pressure forced them back into the closet?) Does not "prove" that gay people are never born that way.
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I'm just curious how you explain someone choosing to be gay and then hiding the fact from everyone and living a miserable life because they're too scared to come out.

Wouldn't it make sense for that person to simply not choose to be gay instead?
This is the clearest non-scientific anecdote for why many gays are probably born that way.

No sane person outside of a sheltered SF or NY bubble with lots of support would EVER choose that burden. Why the hell would anyone in the midwest or the south willingly decide to be gay?
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:07 PM   #66
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This is not an either-or proposition.

Most people with large non-asian eyes are born that way. A tiny few are asians obsessed with looks who got surgery.

Just because you can point to a few anecdotal cases of mentally troubled people who thought they were gay and ended up not being gay (or perhaps they were and societal pressure forced them back into the closet?) Does not "prove" that gay people are never born that way.
I wasn't making a case that gay people are never born that way. Never said that. In fact I mentioned some are homosexual. Ann was used as an example because she is the more known—not as anecdotal evidence. I've read psychology material, before the internet saying some people can be confused and some do experiment. In fact I recall reading there's more than a few people have had some sort of gay experience* for instance when younger and coming of age. Doesn't make them gay either.

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(or perhaps they were and societal pressure forced them back into the closet?)
Or perhaps it's the trendy thing to do as well. Or perhaps it's pleasurable since it's been taboo. Or perhaps because it's for publicity if it's a celebrity.
There are people out there who do try things.

* I am not saying that's necessarily true but I have read that.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:14 PM   #67
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I just thought I'd google this point about others trying it. This came up under: What percentage of men have had a homosexual experience?

I realize it's just answers but it's interesting. Especially what the gay guy said. ( If he's really gay and being honest.)
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I just thought I'd google this point about others trying it. This came up under: What percentage of men have had a homosexual experience?

I realize it's just answers but it's interesting. Especially what the gay guy said. ( If he's really gay and being honest.)
Is part of your post missing or am I not reading that correctly?
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I don't really think that....I just laugh my ass off everytime I hear that.

Gay jokes are hilarious. How can you not make fun of them? Prancin' around with women-like mentalities and being flamboyant? It's sad to see man develop into that because males historically are put on earth to pro-create w/ females...that's just human nature......

I work with this one extremely gay man.....guy's hilarious because we walks w/ his ass sticking out like he just got ****ed in it and his chest sticking out and talks w/ a lisp. He'll talk about his dates and him gettin' ass.....then i leave because I wanna vomit.

but god damn it's funny to see homo's make fools of themselves.
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:33 PM   #71
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Is part of your post missing or am I not reading that correctly?
Oops. My bad. You read it right. I forgot the link. Now I have to go find it again. Back to History.
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According to this, professor of psychology at Wheaton College, sample representativeness has been very hard to come by for studies on homosexuality. It seems to me, that there are experts coming down on both sides of the issue and some in between.


http://www.firstthings.com/article/2...me-sex-science
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