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Old 12-05-2012, 08:19 PM  
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Schefter- "Barkley Late first-round pick" Smith scouts "aren't completely wowed"

ESPN's Adam Schefter stated on Mike & Mike Wednesday morning that USC QB Matt Barkley is viewed around the NFL as a "late first-round pick."
Schefter cited a relatively weak incoming quarterback class as reasons for Alex Smith and Michael Vick to "absolutely" have strong offseason markets. Smith is a trade candidate, while Vick is expected to be released after the Super Bowl. Per Schefter, Heisman finalist Collin Klein is viewed as a "late-round pick," and scouts "aren't completely wowed" by West Virginia QB Geno Smith. Barkley showed underwhelming arm strength as a college senior and was interception prone. We wouldn't be surprised if he fell to the second round



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Old 12-05-2012, 09:37 PM   #61
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smith did the same thing to oklahoma that RG3 did...he just has the worst d in the country, so they lost

his 4th quarter ass raping of the 8th ranked pass defense in the country should 'wow' anyone who isn't a ****ing dill hole...

his pass from his own endzone, with the pocket collapsing, between 3 defenders, is as clutch and fine a pass as any QB threw this year...if that doesn't 'wow' you then you should off yourself along with black retard...
The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:42 PM   #62
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The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...
Not calling you out specifically, but this is something alot of people say, but have no idea about.


People think reading defenses consists of "looking at multiple wr's, Rb's Te's, etc, once the ball is snapped"

Which is absolutely crazy talk.

Most offenses have reads based on coverages, which are determined presnap or split second post snap.

Once it's snapped, a QB has one read, then a second, etc. Not often do they get passed the 2nd. IMO, reading defenses isn't a problem with alot of QB's, or atleast isn't the main problem.


It's pocket awareness, or knowing how much time you have in the pocket to go thru multiple reads. Cassel doesn't read defenses well, which is magnified by the fact aht he doesn't have any pocket awareness so he can't make quick reads from the pocket.

Geno has some of the best pocket awareness of any prospect not named Luck. Hell thats one area that he gets pretty close to Luck.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:43 PM   #63
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A bit of validation for my push for a trade down to get Geno at value. Frankly, admittedly based on yet incomplete data I would be perfectly happy with either Murray or Wilson at value than drafting Geno at the top of the draft.

This last scenario is gradually becoming my favorite one. Maybe trading the top pick to someone head over heals in love with Jarvis Jones and use the later round one pick or our top 2nd on, say, Murray.
murray?

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Old 12-05-2012, 09:45 PM   #64
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:47 PM   #65
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The only criticism I've read of Geno, that actually gives a reason is that he doesn't read defenses. Though, in as many offenses as he's run, he's certainly been asked to do it at some point. He's always done well. Good TD/INT ratio. I'm not nearly as worried as I would be if he'd only run a spread throughout his college career...
i find it hard to believe you can put up the numbers he did, throwing the amount he did, with only 6 ints, and not 'read defenses'....

i realize he isn't perfect, but unless they're comparing these flaws to some standard, they're rather meaningless evaluations...

is he bad at reading defenses, or bad compared to peyton manning?...
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:49 PM   #66
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:49 PM   #67
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Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:50 PM   #68
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Did Kliff play in a pro style offense his sophomore year and play very well? Didn't think so...
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:52 PM   #69
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Say you draft Teo. Whats the absolute best scenario you can get out of that? Can a MLB Ted backer in a 34 scheme carry you to where you wanna go?
If (big IF) Te'o is what they say he is (and not a Notre Dame lust hype by the media) then yes. Provided we use the top of the 2nd on Murray, Wilson, or maybe even Bray. Our LB corps will be next to none. and we still get a QB we can count on panning out well. I've been very encouraged by what Dungy said about Murray and what I saw of him in the Alabama game. Granted I didn't see the entire game. Stat-wise too he compares well with Geno. See attached.
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Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.
Guess who drafted him.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:54 PM   #72
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Kliff Kingsbury threw 45 TD and 13 INT his senior year playing in the same system...so you never know.
6 is significantly different than 13....6 makes ints almost an anomaly given the volume of throws

and again, the point is they never qualify the criticisms...does he need to get better reading defenses (likely)? does he struggle reading defenses (less likely)? is he bad at reading defenses (lol)? does he not read defenses (absurd)?

etc
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If (big IF) Te'o is what they say he is
Te'o isn't Ray Lewis.

Te'o isn't Patrick Willis.

Te'o isn't Brian Urlacher.

Te'o isn't D'Qwell Jackson.

He may be a solid NFL linebacker but until he runs a 4.3 forty, measures 6'2 and weights 260 pounds at the Combine, the guy, IMO, is a mid-to-late draft choice at best.

He's most likely, IMO, a second round talent at best.
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