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Old 12-01-2012, 01:15 PM  
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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Now what...?

With so much anger built-up with this current regime, I can't help but cheer for them after wanting them to fail miserably.

What kind of state is this team and coaching staff in who witnessed this happen if reports are true? Crennel...a defensive coordinator by heart, obviously spent a lot of one-on-one time with this troubled individual. What is he thinking? Scott Pioli...there are banners flying over the stadium calling for your head, and now one of your men has taken the life of a mother and then himself. What is running through his head. Same goes for others who witnessed this tragedy. How do you continue doing your job in a professional manner...?

I have never been in such a situation, but it is one thing to witness someone take their own life, but it's another to witness a friend take such a cowardly route.

SOC...what now? I support the donation idea thrown around in the other threads. IMO, there should be no more banners in the air for the remainder of the season. Do we now go full-homer and support this team regardless of who is navigating the ship?

Finally...if Pioli and [somehow] Crennel return next season, do you support them after what they have witness has humans.

I could have thrown this in either of the two shooting threads, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you stand today with the Chiefs. Are you rooting for them to win the remainder of the games this season and whatever happens with our draft position happens....? Is this a matter of football vs real-life to you and as a fan, you still wish for failure in the FO and the #1 draft pick. Or are you somewhere in the middle?

I duno...curious to hear how others feel right now about the state of our franchise given this morning's tragic events. Where do you go from here...?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #91
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Belcher should be fined and suspended.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #92
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This isnt Pioli and Crennel's fault. Im sorry as much as I want them gone. This was between Belcher and his girlfriend
We have no idea what was going on in his head to say this. Mental illness is a messy thing and it is real. We have no idea and will never know what he was thinking.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:14 PM   #93
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It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.
Well we really don't know if he exhibited anything prior to this, regardless of how often that is the case. We also don't know if Crennel and/or Pioli spent much time with Belcher. They do have their respective jobs to do. I'm more interested in hearing what his teammates have to say about this. They'd be the ones most likely to have known if he had shown any signs of depression or anger prior to this.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:16 PM   #94
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It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.
It might cause you grief because it's wildly speculative and accusatory. It's no secret that NFL defensive players are aggressive. It's their career.

You should have strong evidence before this statement applies: "they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so."
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:17 PM   #95
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It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.
Pure speculative bullshit.

Stop trying to project your displeasure with this team's front office onto this situation.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:19 PM   #96
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Suicidal people hide their symptoms all the time. We can't blame the front office for not being able to read Belcher's mind. Nobody should be blaming anybody for anything right now.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:19 PM   #97
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I don't think anyone associated with this tragedy should be part of the leadership group next season.

We badly need a fresh start.
I agree.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:20 PM   #98
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Suicidal people hide their symptoms all the time. We can't blame the front office for not being able to read Belcher's mind. Nobody should be blaming anybody for anything right now.
I blame the girlfriend for not recognizing his symptoms and putting herself in a position to be shot. She should also be charged with child endangerment.

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:20 PM   #99
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Shit no, because of the whole thing, man.

The Haley firing was inexcusable, 4 seasons of Matt Cassel AFTER 3 seasons of Huard/Croyle/Thigpen, letting Carr walk, Larry Johnson, the list goes on and on...but the reality is that This team has fallen flat on its face ever since Clark Hunt took over, almost from the ****ing minute it happened.

I think he's a billionaire business man who doesn't care about football, the Chiefs, fheir fans or Kansas City in general.

and I think it kinda shows. Forgive me for feeling disgusted when I look through my closet and all I see are red jerseys and red/yellow hoodies.

I feel like a ****ing chump because I have nothing else to wear.

I feel like I'm a sucker who's been duped.
Understandable emotions, but I believe these will pass when we get a new GM and things genuinely begin moving in the right direction. At some point--I hope not too long from now--there will be a rebirth of Arrowhead.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:21 PM   #100
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When you factor in everything that has happened under Pioli's watch the past 12 months... the Arrowhead Anxiety article, the reports that morale (both among players and other team employees) is at an all time low and the fact another Chiefs employee was involved in a murder suicide in September, it is reasonable to consider how this all might be related.

Just from a football standpoint, the good news is the right GM/HC and QB can instantly change a franchise, regardless of how bad things have been. See the Atlanta Falcons after the Vick/Bobby Petrino fiasco, see the Saints after Hurricane Katrina, etc.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:22 PM   #101
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I blame the girlfriend for not recognizing his symptoms and putting herself in a position to be shot. She should also be charged with child endangerment.

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Old 12-01-2012, 02:24 PM   #102
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Belcher's troubles were 100% personal. For all we know he could have been happy as heck with his job. Yeah it sucks for the fans that we're 1-10 and have a shit sandwich at QB. But for him...he's paid a pretty penny to play a game he loves to play. He probably got along great with his coaches and teammates. But whatever happened with his relationship issues caused this.
We have no idea to back this up.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:25 PM   #104
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The only way Pioli 'contributed' to what transpired is that he drafted Belcher and brought him here, fired the only coach who ever got anything out of him, a coach who instilled discipline and accountability...

but that doesn't add up to murdering your girfriend in front of your kid and your mom.

I'll blame Pioli for a LOT of the Chiefs' troubles...but you seriously can't put this one on Pioli.

No matter how bad things have become, no one saw this coming.
There are always signs. No one saw it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:26 PM   #105
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