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Old 12-01-2012, 01:15 PM  
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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Now what...?

With so much anger built-up with this current regime, I can't help but cheer for them after wanting them to fail miserably.

What kind of state is this team and coaching staff in who witnessed this happen if reports are true? Crennel...a defensive coordinator by heart, obviously spent a lot of one-on-one time with this troubled individual. What is he thinking? Scott Pioli...there are banners flying over the stadium calling for your head, and now one of your men has taken the life of a mother and then himself. What is running through his head. Same goes for others who witnessed this tragedy. How do you continue doing your job in a professional manner...?

I have never been in such a situation, but it is one thing to witness someone take their own life, but it's another to witness a friend take such a cowardly route.

SOC...what now? I support the donation idea thrown around in the other threads. IMO, there should be no more banners in the air for the remainder of the season. Do we now go full-homer and support this team regardless of who is navigating the ship?

Finally...if Pioli and [somehow] Crennel return next season, do you support them after what they have witness has humans.

I could have thrown this in either of the two shooting threads, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you stand today with the Chiefs. Are you rooting for them to win the remainder of the games this season and whatever happens with our draft position happens....? Is this a matter of football vs real-life to you and as a fan, you still wish for failure in the FO and the #1 draft pick. Or are you somewhere in the middle?

I duno...curious to hear how others feel right now about the state of our franchise given this morning's tragic events. Where do you go from here...?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:02 PM   #76
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I can't think of a single thing Pioli could have done while running this football team to add to the mental state of someone who shot several holes in his girlfriend and then shot one hole in his own head.
Really?
Belcher took the cowards way out, but if you think this tragedy makes Arrowhead a friendly place to work you are so far from reality it isnt even funny.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:02 PM   #77
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The amount of stupidity I've read on this board today is stunning, even knowing full well what this place is.
I'm astounded. Some of this shit is cruel and abhorrent. I don't like Scott Pioli. I don't like his management style or his football decisions. I don't like his apparent arrogance. I protested and held up a sign with his face and "FRAUD" written above it. But if he were in the same room as me right now, I'd buy hin a non-alcoholic beer and give him the mother of all man hugs.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:02 PM   #78
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Really?
Belcher took the cowards way out, but if you think this tragedy makes Arrowhead a friendly place to work you are so far from reality it isnt even funny.
When the hell did I say this tragedy makes Arrowhead a more friendly place to work? I'm confused as hell...
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:03 PM   #79
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It certainly feels odd to say after all thats went down this year, but yeah, my heart goes out to Scott & Romeo big time, what an awful thing to witness.

And as others have said, they certainly deserve no blame for it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:04 PM   #80
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I'm astounded. Some of this shit is cruel and abhorrent. I don't like Scott Pioli. I don't like his management style or his football decisions. I don't like his apparent arrogance. I protested and held up a sign with his face and "FRAUD" written above it. But if he were in the same room as me right now, I'd buy hin a non-alcoholic beer and give him the mother of all man hugs.
agreed 100% what he supposedly saw is tragic. I wouldnt want to be in his shows. But that doesnt change anything. His way has broken this organization.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:04 PM   #81
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People trying to blame Pioli for this is like blaming AJ Smith for Seau's suicide. Just stop it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:05 PM   #82
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I'm astounded. Some of this shit is cruel and abhorrent. I don't like Scott Pioli. I don't like his management style or his football decisions. I don't like his apparent arrogance. I protested and held up a sign with his face and "FRAUD" written above it. But if he were in the same room as me right now, I'd buy hin a non-alcoholic beer and give him the mother of all man hugs.
This....

I guess that was the point of this thread. This incident is a real-life situation, obviously. So I ask if you allow those real-life emotions cross into your football fandom world?

Do you still hate Pioli today...or do you feel for the guy what he witnessed and wish for him to succeed to some degree for the remainder of the season? Or are you able to separate the two, feel for the man...but still call for his firing?
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #83
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I don't care either way really. I don't know Belcher personally. Stuff like this happens to hundreds of people daily...to people I don't know. Only difference is Belcher is on TV and plays a game for a team I root for. It's a horrible thing to happen for sure...but I don't feel any different as I would had this happened to Joe Schmoe in Hew Hampshire, etc.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:07 PM   #84
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You all jump me for saying a deranged individual who runs an organization into the ground and brings in another deranged individual and has him in said organization that is being run into the ground didnt add to a deranged individuals psyche?
Look, Pioli didnt deserve to see this, nor Crennel if that is indeed how it went down. I feel bad for them both. But I refuse to believe any one crazed person doesnt rub off on another.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:08 PM   #85
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well, the word is that Pioli had talked with Belcher the most during the incident at Arrowhead, and Pioli made it clear that he had the full support of the staff and organization and that it was even friendly for a bit and that Jovan was going to put the gun down...and then police showed up, and...

and if that's true, it's very understandable that Scott would be upset.

I'm done talking about it; it's over, and nothing can fix it.
Major props to Scott for this. I have truly wished for his ouster, but hard to wish ill will right now considering the situation. I love this franchise and these players too. This sucks so much.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:08 PM   #86
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I feel for Pioli as the person who had to go through this ordeal from a boss standpoint and from someone who had to witness it. I don't feel for bad for Pioli the GM running the Chiefs. Both are different situations. I know this is horrible to say but Pioli's job better not be safe due to this horrible ordeal... in the long run it may NOW be better off for him to get away from KC period.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:09 PM   #87
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agreed 100% what he supposedly saw is tragic. I wouldnt want to be in his shows. But that doesnt change anything. His way has broken this organization.
I agree with this post. But what Belcher did this morning is 100% personal. He murdered his girlfriend and probably decided pretty quickly that he was gonna end his own life after he did it. So what does he do? Drives to Arrowhead to thank Pioli and Crennel for everything. That doesn't sound like his job with the Chiefs had anything to do with what happened. In fact, it makes it sound like his role with the Chiefs and those he worked with were one of the best things in his life. It meant enough to him to acknowledge Pioli and Crennel and say goodbye to them before implementing his "exit strategy". THe fact that he chose to spend his last moments on this earth with them and utter his last words with those people tells me he probably liked them.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:11 PM   #88
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Obviously, I have empathy for everyone involved. This is a tragedy and our thoughts should be on the human element here, even with people we want gone from the front office. We can't know whether the pressure of a failed season and front office added to the troubled mind of Belcher.

I will root for the Chiefs to play well the rest of the season. I don't think we should fly the banner this one week. Nevertheless, it will be my hope that the Chiefs (despite playing well) lose the next 3 games to Carolina, Browns and Raiders, secure the first pick and then beat the Colts and Broncos to end the season on a higher note.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:11 PM   #89
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It is terrible that Pioli and Romeo had to witness the event. However, given the magnitude of the event, he probably exhibited symptoms prior to this event. People very rarely just go do this type of thing without notice. As his leaders they had it within their power to intervene to prevent such an action, and failed to do so. This post will probably bring me a lot more grief than it's worth, but even the army is putting the emphasis on leader and peer awareness and intervention. I don't see how it should be any different in a football organization.
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Old 12-01-2012, 02:13 PM   #90
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When the hell did I say this tragedy makes Arrowhead a more friendly place to work? I'm confused as hell...
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Really?
Belcher took the cowards way out, but if you think this tragedy makes Arrowhead a friendly place to work you are so far from reality it isnt even funny.
Look, I get the cowards way out sentiment as far as suicide is concerned but at the same time I don't think people understand how severe depression is. I had a bit that probably is 1/1000th the amount someone can have in it and it still made me sick. Its something I don't wish on anyone. Now I am not saying that even if it got to the highest degree I would kill myself. I don't think I would. I just don't think someone that would is a pussy.

*edit: there are outside factors that can make the acts very selfish, most notably a kid. That's when it gets hairy for me to accept.
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