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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs.

Now what...?

With so much anger built-up with this current regime, I can't help but cheer for them after wanting them to fail miserably.

What kind of state is this team and coaching staff in who witnessed this happen if reports are true? Crennel...a defensive coordinator by heart, obviously spent a lot of one-on-one time with this troubled individual. What is he thinking? Scott Pioli...there are banners flying over the stadium calling for your head, and now one of your men has taken the life of a mother and then himself. What is running through his head. Same goes for others who witnessed this tragedy. How do you continue doing your job in a professional manner...?

I have never been in such a situation, but it is one thing to witness someone take their own life, but it's another to witness a friend take such a cowardly route.

SOC...what now? I support the donation idea thrown around in the other threads. IMO, there should be no more banners in the air for the remainder of the season. Do we now go full-homer and support this team regardless of who is navigating the ship?

Finally...if Pioli and [somehow] Crennel return next season, do you support them after what they have witness has humans.

I could have thrown this in either of the two shooting threads, but I wanted to hear your thoughts on where you stand today with the Chiefs. Are you rooting for them to win the remainder of the games this season and whatever happens with our draft position happens....? Is this a matter of football vs real-life to you and as a fan, you still wish for failure in the FO and the #1 draft pick. Or are you somewhere in the middle?

I duno...curious to hear how others feel right now about the state of our franchise given this morning's tragic events. Where do you go from here...?
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:37 PM   #31
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This...plus knowing the fans already are upset with you...

Feel pretty bad for them at the moment.
Exactly. If I witnessed what they apparently witnessed, I would be inconsolable, sweating and shaking in a corner somewhere.
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:38 PM   #32
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I think that Pioli has been putting up a brave face that will come crashing down now. It is too personal now. Too close to home.


well, the word is that Pioli had talked with Belcher the most during the incident at Arrowhead, and Pioli made it clear that he had the full support of the staff and organization and that it was even friendly for a bit and that Jovan was going to put the gun down...and then police showed up, and...

and if that's true, it's very understandable that Scott would be upset.

I'm done talking about it; it's over, and nothing can fix it.
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:38 PM   #33
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Just when you think things could'nt get any worse with this team....Condolences to the families.
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:39 PM   #34
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I don't think anyone associated with this tragedy should be part of the leadership group next season.

We badly need a fresh start.
My thoughts too.

But does this extend to the players...? I know they are under contract, but still...don't know how some of them could be mentally prepared to play every time they step foot on 1 Arrowhead Dr.
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Old 12-01-2012, 01:40 PM   #35
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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs is Missouri. I know it's confusing to some people not familiar with the region. I mean...why the F is it called Kansas City if it's in Missouri? There's another Kansas City that's actually in Kansas? Why don't the Chiefs play there?

Here's an explanation on the history of Kansas City and why it's called that when it is, in fact, in Missouri and not Kansas. Nice thread! I believe it will clear things up for a lot of people!

Both Kansas and Missouri have a Kansas City, but neither started with that name.

Kansas City in Missouri has been incorporated three different times under three different names. Prior to the first incorporation, the site of early Kansas City was a boat dock called Westport Landing.

In the 1830s, John McCoy’s settlement of West Port, at what is now Westport Road and Pennsylvania, outfitted pioneers for the Santa Fe Trail. Since the nearest landing for river travel and transport was 14 miles away at Blue Mills, near Independence, McCoy established a closer landing on the bluffs at the bend in the Missouri River, just two miles north of his settlement.

Soon after McCoy established “Westport Landing” in 1834, Kansas Town Company, a group of 14 investors, began to settle the area. In 1850 the landing area incorporated as the Town of Kansas; in 1853, as the City of Kansas; and finally in 1889 as Kansas City. John McCoy’s settlement, the old town of Westport, was annexed by Kansas City, Missouri, on December 2, 1897.

The Kansas, or Kaw, River flows into the Missouri River near the site of the early town, and the city founders finally settled on this geographic term for the town’s name. The Kansas River was named after the Kansa Indian tribe located in the area.

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Old 12-01-2012, 01:41 PM   #36
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My thoughts too.

But does this extend to the players...? I know they are under contract, but still...don't know how some of them could be mentally prepared to play every time they step foot on 1 Arrowhead Dr.
no - just ownership and front-office.

And the enployees who had to sue for their benefits after they all got fired??

They get their jobs back.

Todd Haley, too.
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IMO, this doesn't change much, other than having 1 less player on the roster. What Crennel and Pioli witnessed today will, without a doubt, have an impact on them. Belcher was in his 4th year, right? That's a lot of time for management and a player to build a relationship.

As far as if this will affect me as a fan, not really. I haven't been paying much attention to the games. If they had a decent season, I would be more interested. But the rebuilding year after year and the lack of effective management has deterred me from, well, pretty much giving a shit.

This wasn't always the case though. When I became a Chiefs fan in '94 I looked forward to every single game. Win or lose, the game was exciting. It was because of my husband, (then b/f), that I became a fan. We watched the games together, he taught me about the sport, and we even spent our honeymoon at Arrowhead, (the Chiefs crushed the Lions). It's just something nice to share w/ someone.

Perhaps one of these days the excitement will return.
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My thoughts too.

But does this extend to the players...? I know they are under contract, but still...don't know how some of them could be mentally prepared to play every time they step foot on 1 Arrowhead Dr.
No, they weren't witness to it. Nor are they being asked to lead a football program.

A lot of the people that were at the facility today are going to be scarred by this. We're gonna need someone with zero connections to this incident in order to move forward next year.
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Resignations seem like a very real possibility. If it's true they paid witness to Belcher's suicide, I can't express how awful I feel for Scott and Romeo.
I have to wonder what Belcher said to them before he walked off. His last words were to these two, he could have been saying anything.
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The state of the Kansas City Chiefs is Missouri. I know it's confusing to some people not familiar with the region. I mean...why the F is it called Kansas City if it's in Missouri? There's another Kansas City that's actually in Kansas? Why don't the Chiefs play there?

Here's an explanation on the history of Kansas City and why it's called that when it is, in fact, in Missouri and not Kansas. Nice thread! I believe it will clear things up for a lot of people!

Both Kansas and Missouri have a Kansas City, but neither started with that name.

Kansas City in Missouri has been incorporated three different times under three different names. Prior to the first incorporation, the site of early Kansas City was a boat dock called Westport Landing.

In the 1830s, John McCoy’s settlement of West Port, at what is now Westport Road and Pennsylvania, outfitted pioneers for the Santa Fe Trail. Since the nearest landing for river travel and transport was 14 miles away at Blue Mills, near Independence, McCoy established a closer landing on the bluffs at the bend in the Missouri River, just two miles north of his settlement.

Soon after McCoy established “Westport Landing” in 1834, Kansas Town Company, a group of 14 investors, began to settle the area. In 1850 the landing area incorporated as the Town of Kansas; in 1853, as the City of Kansas; and finally in 1889 as Kansas City. John McCoy’s settlement, the old town of Westport, was annexed by Kansas City, Missouri, on December 2, 1897.

The Kansas, or Kaw, River flows into the Missouri River near the site of the early town, and the city founders finally settled on this geographic term for the town’s name. The Kansas River was named after the Kansa Indian tribe located in the area.

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No, they weren't witness to it. Nor are they being asked to lead a football program.

A lot of the people that were at the facility today are going to be scarred by this. We're gonna need someone with zero connections to this incident in order to move forward next year.
Harsh to say just hours after the fact, but absolutely true.
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IMO, this doesn't change much, other than having 1 less player on the roster. What Crennel and Pioli witnessed today will, without a doubt, have an impact on them. Belcher was in his 4th year, right? That's a lot of time for management and a player to build a relationship.

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This wasn't always the case though. When I became a Chiefs fan in '94 I looked forward to every single game. Win or lose, the game was exciting. It was because of my husband, (then b/f), that I became a fan. We watched the games together, he taught me about the sport, and we even spent our honeymoon at Arrowhead, (the Chiefs crushed the Lions). It's just something nice to share w/ someone.

Perhaps one of these days the excitement will return.
I know how you feel...

Part of that excitement will be gone forever for me...

it sucks.
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