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Old 11-21-2012, 05:07 PM  
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Mellinger | Ex-GM Peterson ‘saddened’ by Chiefs’ situation

Sam Mellinger | Ex-GM Peterson ‘saddened’ by Chiefs’ situation
By SAM MELLINGER
The Kansas City Star
Carl Peterson knows exactly why I called. He knows why some Chiefs fans want to hear from him. In some real ways, this conversation is a beach ball of schadenfreude placed on a tee for the man who effectively ran all things Chiefs for nearly 20 years, then was fired four years ago with his reputation in Kansas City at least frayed.

Peterson knows all of this. He won’t take his biggest swing.

But he will make solid contact.

“I guess like every Chiefs fan, I’m disappointed and I’m saddened by what’s transpired there,” he says. “I think I know and made a real point to learn who the Chiefs fans were and what they wanted. I feel for them, because I’ve always felt the Kansas City Chiefs were, should be, and could be a great franchise.”

There’s more.

“I was very, very fortunate to work for Lamar Hunt for 18 of my 20 years there. He’s the guy who made the difference for me. They’ve fallen on hard times. That’s for sure.”

The point here is not just for Peterson to dance on the Chiefs’ rubble. There is some perspective in remembering what he and Lamar Hunt made together. They built the Chiefs’ brand in the 1990s. Through much of the 1980s, the team was a local afterthought. If they won, cool. If they lost, whatever. Nobody much noticed.

That began to change when Hunt hired Peterson, and Peterson hired coach Marty Schottenheimer and the whole thing just took off, with seven playoff appearances in the first eight years of the 1990s.

The Chiefs’ parking lot became the biggest party in Kansas City. Arrowhead Stadium became one of the toughest places to play in the NFL. Peterson, who lives in New York now, is one of the strongest connections we have to that time.

“We had fun at it,” he says. “We made it a fun thing. We made it a family thing. Lamar believed very much in that, and I did, too. He was a wonderful owner. He’d say, ‘How can I help?’ I’d say, ‘Lamar, I need you to do a contest in the parking lot to judge buses and vans that fans have painted,’ and he loved that.”

Now, of course, that is all different. Lamar’s son Clark fired Peterson two years after taking over, and Peterson says the two never communicate.

The Chiefs made massive personnel changes after Peterson was fired, often dropping thinly veiled shots along the way. Peterson hasn’t been back to Arrowhead since, and remains touchy about not being invited to Schottenheimer’s induction to the team’s Ring of Honor.

It is a vastly different franchise now, and when Scott Pioli took over for Peterson after a 2-14 disaster in 2008, that was part of the point. The Chiefs were broken and needed fixing. A youth movement that started under Peterson — Brandon Flowers, Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles, Derrick Johnson and other key players who predate Pioli — needed structure, and until this season, there was reason for optimism.

Now, the big story out of the parking lot before Sunday’s loss to the Bengals was the team stopping the mass distribution of flyers listing some unflattering facts about the Chiefs on one side and “FIRE PIOLI” on the other.

The Chiefs have never had a disconnect with their fans like this. That was always a priority with Peterson, sometimes to the point of being criticism. The common knock on the Chiefs was that they cared more about filling the stadium than advancing in the playoffs.

Now, team and town would settle for a fun atmosphere and competitive team. The last man to oversee a run like that watches from a distance.

“I do come back to Kansas City,” he says. “I still have a home there. People on the street, they’re very disappointed. Some of them are angry at what’s transpired. I’m sorry to see that. It’s no longer my watch, so I can have my personal feelings about it, but it’s not my responsibility anymore.”
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:17 PM   #136
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Peterson was a shitty GM and general POS who makes Pioli look like a 'Genious' choirboy.
Marty will always get the majority of credit for that era. King Carl started us down this slide. His time to go was way overdue, just like Pioli's.
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Old 11-22-2012, 07:32 PM   #137
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Marty will always get the majority of credit for that era. King Carl started us down this slide. His time to go was way overdue, just like Pioli's.
Marty should

He specialized in taking mediocre team talent and making the most out of it. His schemes made of point of dragging the game down into the mud and letting the other more talented team make mistakes and lose the game.

Now sadly once we got to the playoff the teams were talented enough to overcome those mistakes so we lost. That still doesn't change the face that Peterson didn't get the talent other teams did.

People complain about Pioli and QB ... Peterson didn't do shit at that position for 19 years.

King Carl was also a smug jerk who treated the fans like shit.

people have clearly forgotten what a douchebag is about





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Old 11-22-2012, 11:54 PM   #138
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:39 AM   #139
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Personally, I think Marty + elite QB + aggressive OC would have been fantastic. However, that can be said for most teams. For all of Marty's faults I do appreciate the aggressiveness he instilled defensively.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:47 AM   #140
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Personally, I think Marty + elite QB + aggressive OC would have been fantastic. However, that can be said for most teams. For all of Marty's faults I do appreciate the aggressiveness he instilled defensively.
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Old 11-23-2012, 04:35 AM   #141
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:38 AM   #142
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Personally, I think Marty + elite QB + aggressive OC would have been fantastic. However, that can be said for most teams. For all of Marty's faults I do appreciate the aggressiveness he instilled defensively.
too bad Carl was too busy playing rock star and didn't furnish the team.
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:44 AM   #143
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I'm saddened that Carl Peterson, Scott Pioli & Matt Cassell still breath.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:06 AM   #144
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too bad Carl was too busy playing minesweeper and didn't furnish the team.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:35 AM   #146
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:52 AM   #147
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I didn't (and still don't) have much of a problem with Carl Peterson. The first half of his tenure was great. He did an excellent job here; even if he never drafted a 1st round QB (but I place that more on Marty than Carl).

The middle portion (the Gunther seasons) were meh. I think he saw Gunther as a very good defensive coach and they had a QB who had shown signs of promise. But, it didn't work out and they went about .500 those two years.

He sold out to try and win a Superbowl with Vermeil. I was perfectly fine with that. I thought it was a good move. The Trent Green trade worked out well and they had teams that (I felt) were every bit as good as the teams that won the Superbowl (03 and 05); even if they never got there. Yes, the defense sucked but the opportunity was there and you could see progress.

The last part of his tenure sucked. I felt he dropped the ball with Herm. However, they had some solid draft choices that are being completely squandered by the current regime.

Overall, I thought Carl was solid, if not spectacular. To even compare Pioli to Carl is an insult. Pioli has completely sh*t in the face of this team and this town. They are completely wasting what talent they do have by forcefeeding us the QB and coaching situation. What's more, there is not a peep out of Arrowhead.

I hate this regime more than I hate anything.
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:10 AM   #148
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I lost any and all hope in those two after the Gannon debacle.

**** Carl AND Marty.

Piss on them.

Piss on thier heads.
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i lost any and all hope in Scott Pioli after the Tyson Jackson draft pick

so it kind of evens out
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:37 AM   #150
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i lost any and all hope in Scott Pioli after the Tyson Jackson draft pick

so it kind of evens out
I lost any and all hope when Pioli signed Quinn after hearing about QB competition.
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