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Ron Paul Deceived. BucEyedPea Believed. (The Fabricated Reagan Quote)
I mentioned this in an earlier thread, but I wanted to create a separate thread where BucEyedPea can feel free to admit that Ron Paul was wrong or argue endlessly with me about it if she's still in denial without hijacking another thread.
In July of 2006, Ron Paul got up in front of the House of Representatives to speak in opposition to a resolution condemning Hezbollah's attack against Israel. In his statement, he quoted Ronald Reagan to bolster his case. I should say he "mis-quoted" Reagan though, because as it turns out the quote was FABRICATED. Since then, BucEyedPea has repeatedly referenced that quote here on the pages of ChiefsPlanet. At last count, I've seen her reference it no less than 16 times. What's with these appeasement conservatives and their need to pretend that Ronald Reagan would have approved of their misguided, neo-isolationist message? See my next two posts for the details. |
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Ron Paul claimed that the Reagan quote came from Reagan's own autobiography. What he really did was collect a few out of context sentences from different pages of the book, connected them together as if they were contiguous and then fabricated the rest to drive home his dishonest point.
My original analysis of this lie was done with the hard copy from my local library. I've also checked the paperback version and found the same results. I'm sure it's available in most decent public libraries. Here is Paul's mis-quote, color coded so the different pieces can be identified and sourced: Quote:
Purple - p462 of An American Life Dark Green - different part of p462 of An American Life Blue - Not present in An American Life It's bad enough to string a bunch of out-of-context, unconnected sentences together as if they were written that way, but the really outrageous dishonesty comes from the final two sentences which were apparently fabricated out of thin air and which, btw, transform the ambiguity of the early part of the quote into a clear endorsement of Ron Paul's withdraw-at-all-costs foreign policy.
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02-12-2010, 09:31 AM
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BucEyedPea has been loud and proud with her belief that Ronald Reagan would have approved of Ron Paul's foreign policy. I'm sure she was doing so innocently* when she repeated this Ron Paul lie 16 times here at ChiefsPlanet. It's now time for her to admit a mistake and condemn Ron Paul's dishonesty wrt to the Reagan quote.
Here are the 16 times she used Paul's false quote: LOOKS LIKE IRAN IS CHOOSING TO TIANANMEN OPTION--------------------- * Although she deserves some criticism for passing the quote off as if it were from Reagan's autobiography instead of making it clear that she was relying on 2nd hand information rather than the book itself.
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Did you say something, patteeu?
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I haven't been party to this argument. But reading that:
To say "Reagan said this..." WRT to this quote/non-quote, as a paraphrase, it would seem like a very clear case of torturing the context so as to distort meaning. To have read the quote in-line as if it had been lifted straight from the text is something I don't think you can describe as anything other than deceptive. Maybe someone else writes his speeches, maybe this quote was just taking from a dubious online source - who knows. It disappoints me because I do like Rep. Paul. Has he ever made a public statement or retraction about this? Congrats on what seems like a well-researched and worthy coup de grace here. |
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I've looked on the internet for the quote in an effort to either find a justification for it or a critique of it and have found nothing. The only places I find this quote are in the Lew Rockwell text of his Congressional statement and on message boards or commentary sections of articles where his disciples (or others with like minds on foreign policy) spread the rumor.
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I've got a theory about what happened here, but I want BucEyedPea to admit that the quote is false before I try to bail Ron Paul out a little bit.
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pssstttt Ronald Reagan raised taxes too...
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Heh.
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Nice job on the research, pat. I've always felt that the similarities between Ronald Reagan's beliefs and Ron Paul's beliefs are exaggerated. On fiscal issues I think Ron Paul is basically a much more extreme version of Reagan. On foreign policy I don't see them as that similar at all.
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