Football The GM or the Head Coach? - Page 4

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 06:16 PM

Which should come first?

The Chiefs have followed the GM/HC model since Carl Peterson. But what about Whitlock's argument that they should pick the HC first and then let the coach and owner pick personnel people?

I'm coming around to the coach-first strategy, which may be why Pioli hasn't been canned yet.

It might be an added incentive for a coach like Chip Kelly to get the chance to build the whole system.

Your thoughts?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MTG#10

****ing cum stain

JFC, you're a pussy.

displacedinMN · 11-19-2012, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

I don't care. I just want wins.

I would settle for competitive and a loss of less than 10 points

dallaschiefsfan · 11-19-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

It doesn't matter what we want. Clark wants the GM first. His whole ideal scenario is to emulate the Steelers and Giants by building a stable, long term structure in the front office with an evaluator who is going to determine what Chiefs football is going to be, who is going to build the team in that vision, and who is going to hire head coaches to carry out that vision. That's what he wants.

You hire a head coach first, and as soon as that coach is done or gets bored or the team starts tuning him out, you start over.

I think that's what he's struggling with right now, because firing Pioli four years in goes totally against his vision. Yet you cannot deny the ineptitude that is out there on the field thanks to Pioli.

But at the end of the day, I don't care how good your front office is, if you don't have a legit head coach, forget about it...

This concerns me more than anything...that his desire for stability is stronger than his desire to win. Winning creates stability...not the other way around. I'm not sure Clark is sold on that.

DaWolf · 11-19-2012, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

This concerns me more than anything...that his desire for stability is stronger than his desire to win. Winning creates stability...not the other way around. I'm not sure Clark is sold on that.

My biggest fear is that Pioli is able to sell him on the idea that he's made mistakes but is learning from those mistakes and growing into the job. I could almost see Clark as naive enough to buy that if the stories of how tight he and Pioli are are true...

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:00 PM

I really really really don't care about Romeo. He is irrelevant. Its all about Pioli. If Pioli stays it doesn't matter who the head coach is. If he is fired, Romeo is a lock to be gone. Honestly, the only thing a firing of Romeo would do is make us all worry that Clark is letting Pioli throw Romeo under the bus. Romeo sticking around could actually be a good thing.

Dave Lane · 11-19-2012, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The biggest problem with Chip Kelly is that he's an enormous risk, and Pioli has driven this franchise so far into the ground that Clark cannot afford to take this type of gamble.

Sadly this is accurate. He needs to hire a retread with a track record. Gruden, Cowher, Reid some one that can inspire hope and excitement to the mentally challenged Debs of the world.

I'd much rather go with a Haley type young gun head coach we can break-in the way we want and can grow into the next best thing.

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Sadly this is accurate. He needs to hire a retread with a track record. Gruden, Cowher, Reid some one that can inspire hope and excitement to the mentally challenged Debs of the world.

I'd much rather go with a Haley type young gun head coach we can break-in the way we want and can grow into the next best thing.

If nothing else, the Chiefs hiring Gruden would make MNF easier to listen to. That being said, I would hope that the new GM goes after the best candidate and doesn't worry about making the sexy pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

If nothing else, the Chiefs hiring Gruden would make MNF easier to listen to. That being said, I would hope that the new GM goes after the best candidate and doesn't worry about making the sexy pick.

I really don't like Gruden.

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I really don't like Gruden.

I like Mike, they just need to find him a decent color guy. MNF and Collinsworth, man they haven't had a good color guy on either show in forever.

If you were only referring to him as our coach, I too do not want him.

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 09:18 PM

It's interesting how conservative the Hunts have been when you think about the founder of it all, H.L. Hunt. (Lamar's dad, Clark's grandfather)

The guy was basically broke and turned his last $100 over to gambling, only to win $100,000 and invest it in an oil exploration company. The guy had 3 wives, 14 kids, and he lobotomized his eldest son because he was "acting erratically." (Wikipedia)

I guess sometimes we emulate our parents, and other times we do the exact opposite.

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

It's interesting how conservative the Hunts have been when you think about the founder of it all, H.L. Hunt. (Lamar's dad, Clark's grandfather)

The guy was basically broke and turned his last $100 over to gambling, only to win $100,000 and invest it in an oil exploration company. The guy had 3 wives, 14 kids, and he lobotomized his eldest son because he was "acting erratically." (Wikipedia)

I guess sometimes we emulate our parents, and other times we do the exact opposite.

Exact opposite? Both Hunts have basically lobotomized all of us.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I like Mike, they just need to find him a decent color guy. MNF and Collinsworth, man they haven't had a good color guy on either show in forever.

If you were only referring to him as our coach, I too do not want him.

Yeah, I was referring to him as coach.

Half the time, I have the volume off when watching football, especially MNF.

I do enjoy Al Michaels but he's really the only guy I like, outside of Gus Johnson.

ChiefsCountry · 11-19-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

I like Mike, they just need to find him a decent color guy. MNF and Collinsworth, man they haven't had a good color guy on either show in forever.

If you were only referring to him as our coach, I too do not want him.

Colinsworth is a damn good color guy.

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Yeah, I was referring to him as coach.

Half the time, I have the volume off when watching football, especially MNF.

I do enjoy Al Michaels but he's really the only guy I like, outside of Gus Johnson.

I mute it a lot as well. Usually playing video games on the other TV. I am ok with most of the CBS crews. Gus Johnson used to give me a heart attack. I will never forget his call of the Chiefs vs. Jaguars game when Quinn Gray came in and almost stole the game from us. QUUUUUUUUUUUIIIIIIINNNNNN GRRRRRAYYYYYYYYY!

NJChiefsFan · 11-19-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Colinsworth is a damn good color guy.

Which part? The part where he only talks about big names or the part when he over-exaggerates every play. "That would have been a TD if he didn't get him there". Replay shows three guys ready to make the tackle. IMO he is the worst. I almost puked when NBC let him do some Olympic coverage. To each his own I guess. On top of it all his voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

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CaliforniaChief Thank You Clark! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $7703473	The GM or the Head Coach? Which should come first? The Chiefs have followed the GM/HC model since Carl Peterson. But what about Whitlock's argument that they should pick the HC first and then let the coach and owner pick personnel people? I'm coming around to the coach-first strategy, which may be why Pioli hasn't been canned yet. It might be an added incentive for a coach like Chip Kelly to get the chance to build the whole system. Your thoughts?
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NJChiefsFan I've Made a Huge Mistake Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: NJ Casino cash: $986487	I really really really don't care about Romeo. He is irrelevant. Its all about Pioli. If Pioli stays it doesn't matter who the head coach is. If he is fired, Romeo is a lock to be gone. Honestly, the only thing a firing of Romeo would do is make us all worry that Clark is letting Pioli throw Romeo under the bus. Romeo sticking around could actually be a good thing. __________________ 6 of 12 QB's in the playoffs are 1st or 2nd year players. Oh how scary it is to go young at the QB position.
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11-19-2012, 09:18 PM	#55
CaliforniaChief Thank You Clark! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $7703473	It's interesting how conservative the Hunts have been when you think about the founder of it all, H.L. Hunt. (Lamar's dad, Clark's grandfather) The guy was basically broke and turned his last $100 over to gambling, only to win $100,000 and invest it in an oil exploration company. The guy had 3 wives, 14 kids, and he lobotomized his eldest son because he was "acting erratically." (Wikipedia) I guess sometimes we emulate our parents, and other times we do the exact opposite. __________________ "Chiefs fans aren’t having it." -Jason Whitlock
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