Football The GM or the Head Coach? - Page 3

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 06:16 PM

Which should come first?

The Chiefs have followed the GM/HC model since Carl Peterson. But what about Whitlock's argument that they should pick the HC first and then let the coach and owner pick personnel people?

I'm coming around to the coach-first strategy, which may be why ***** hasn't been canned yet.

It might be an added incentive for a coach like Chip Kelly to get the chance to build the whole system.

Your thoughts?

**DoucheMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Polian/Cowher

Two dinosaurs?

Bo's Pelini · 11-19-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Two dinosaurs?

Two proven winners. Clark isn't going to take a risk with an unproven GM or HC again. He can't afford to.

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 07:21 PM

I'm just not sure Cowher will stay long enough to make it worth it. I want someone who's young enough to have longevity.

Kelly, Shaw, Fewell, Jay Gruden, etc.

Bo's Pelini · 11-19-2012, 07:23 PM

I want Mike McCoy the guy is a brilliant mind and a disciplinarian. Exactly what this team needs.

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I want Mike McCoy the guy is a brilliant mind and a disciplinarian. Exactly what this team needs.

I could handle McCoy. He has definitely proven the adaptability to manage different offensive approaches.

And young enough to last a long time.

**DoucheMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

I want Mike McCoy the guy is a brilliant mind and a disciplinarian. Exactly what this team needs.

He's linked with Carolina

Psyko Tek · 11-19-2012, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugeater

Duh...important president stuff.

interns, cigars?
I can do that

**DoucheMcCloud** · 11-19-2012, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Two proven winners. Clark isn't going to take a risk with an unproven GM or HC again. He can't afford to.

Meh

**Reaper16** · 11-19-2012, 07:28 PM

Can we hire Greg Roman as head coach?

Bo's Pelini · 11-19-2012, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CaliforniaChief

I'm just not sure Cowher will stay long enough to make it worth it. I want someone who's young enough to have longevity.

Kelly, Shaw, Fewell, Jay Gruden, etc.

I like Shaw and Gruden too. I really think Shaw could work because he has connections with Rex Ryan. If Rex Ryan is fired you pay him to be the highest DC in the league. Ryan with Houston/Hali/Berry/Flowers

CaliforniaChief · 11-19-2012, 07:37 PM

I just want the HC to be a big picture guy, who can bring multiple parts together and develop/execute a game strategy. Someone who is a fluid thinker and able to adapt in-game, manage time, use challenges wisely, and build a team around him who will function cohesively.

I'm more apt to be interested in someone with head coaching experience at a college level than purely an assistant in the NFL. But if they've done both, bonus.

Bo's Pelini · 11-19-2012, 07:43 PM

I agree with you on that I think a good coaching staff around him is important too. I actually just fell in love with David Shawn thinking about bringing guys like Rex Ryan & Hue Jackson with him. Accountability is the #1 issue with this team and those guys will fix that.

DaWolf · 11-19-2012, 07:48 PM

It doesn't matter what we want. Clark wants the GM first. His whole ideal scenario is to emulate the Steelers and Giants by building a stable, long term structure in the front office with an evaluator who is going to determine what Chiefs football is going to be, who is going to build the team in that vision, and who is going to hire head coaches to carry out that vision. That's what he wants.

You hire a head coach first, and as soon as that coach is done or gets bored or the team starts tuning him out, you start over.

I think that's what he's struggling with right now, because firing ***** four years in goes totally against his vision. Yet you cannot deny the ineptitude that is out there on the field thanks to *****.

But at the end of the day, I don't care how good your front office is, if you don't have a legit head coach, forget about it...

MTG#10 · 11-19-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Meh

****ing cum stain

CLX · 11-19-2012, 08:06 PM

I voted for the GM first, but that was because there wasn't an option there to find a new owner first.

View Poll Results: Should the Chiefs Hire A GM or HC first?
Hire a GM first	70	77.78%
Hire a Head Coach first	13	14.44%
Let Gaz decide with a Ouija Board	7	7.78%
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11-19-2012, 06:16 PM
CaliforniaChief Thank You Clark! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $7702661	The GM or the Head Coach? Which should come first? The Chiefs have followed the GM/HC model since Carl Peterson. But what about Whitlock's argument that they should pick the HC first and then let the coach and owner pick personnel people? I'm coming around to the coach-first strategy, which may be why ***** hasn't been canned yet. It might be an added incentive for a coach like Chip Kelly to get the chance to build the whole system. Your thoughts?
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11-19-2012, 07:21 PM	#33
CaliforniaChief Thank You Clark! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $7702661	I'm just not sure Cowher will stay long enough to make it worth it. I want someone who's young enough to have longevity. Kelly, Shaw, Fewell, Jay Gruden, etc. __________________ "Chiefs fans aren’t having it." -Jason Whitlock
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CaliforniaChief Thank You Clark! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $7702661	I just want the HC to be a big picture guy, who can bring multiple parts together and develop/execute a game strategy. Someone who is a fluid thinker and able to adapt in-game, manage time, use challenges wisely, and build a team around him who will function cohesively. I'm more apt to be interested in someone with head coaching experience at a college level than purely an assistant in the NFL. But if they've done both, bonus. __________________ "Chiefs fans aren’t having it." -Jason Whitlock
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11-19-2012, 07:43 PM	#42
Bo's Pelini Winner Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $1985889	I agree with you on that I think a good coaching staff around him is important too. I actually just fell in love with David Shawn thinking about bringing guys like Rex Ryan & Hue Jackson with him. Accountability is the #1 issue with this team and those guys will fix that.
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11-19-2012, 07:48 PM	#43
DaWolf Cry havoc... Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $49568	It doesn't matter what we want. Clark wants the GM first. His whole ideal scenario is to emulate the Steelers and Giants by building a stable, long term structure in the front office with an evaluator who is going to determine what Chiefs football is going to be, who is going to build the team in that vision, and who is going to hire head coaches to carry out that vision. That's what he wants. You hire a head coach first, and as soon as that coach is done or gets bored or the team starts tuning him out, you start over. I think that's what he's struggling with right now, because firing *** four years in goes totally against his vision. Yet you cannot deny the ineptitude that is out there on the field thanks to ***. But at the end of the day, I don't care how good your front office is, if you don't have a legit head coach, forget about it...
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11-19-2012, 08:06 PM	#45
CLX Registered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Nunya Casino cash: $3194	I voted for the GM first, but that was because there wasn't an option there to find a new owner first.
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