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Old 11-19-2012, 10:17 AM  
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Score one more for SOC...

Soren Petro just said firing Romeo is irrelevant. There's no reason to do it.

"The signs don't say 'Fire RAC', they say 'Fire Pioli'."

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Old 11-19-2012, 01:32 PM   #91
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START the search. PREPARE for change once the season is over. START rebuilding fan loyalty.
You can do ALL of those things without firing Pioli.

Honestly, I don't give a shit what they do.

I just completely understand the prudence of being cautious and calculated. There's alot of preparation that can be done without touching Pioli's contract.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #92
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I'm with htismaqe on this one. Besides, I hate rooting against the Chiefs for a draft pick. It's a bitter pill to swallow and I'm having trouble getting it down. On the other hand, I love the entertainment value of seeing Pioli dig himself a deeper grave. I'm all for just handing him more rope and watching him dance.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:34 PM   #93
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Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.


Cowher isn't going to refuse a call from Clark just because Pioli is still employed. Don't be naive.

And outside of Cowher and Gruden, he CANNOT TALK TO OTHER CANDIDATES until the season is over.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:35 PM   #94
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Holy shit you have your head so far up your ass it is amazing you can breathe and type.

A lot of candidates will not talk to the team because there is already a person in place. That is a basic principle that most professionals follow.
WTF?!?!

If he's contacting others for GM jobs, don't you think they can figure out who they'll be replacing?
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:36 PM   #95
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That's how I feel about it, to the letter.
I'm home for Thanksgiving at the parents house, and while watching the SNF game with dad last night (who is a huge Chiefs fan as well) we talked about how "empty" it felt watching that kind of football be played, while the Chiefs are what they are.

We talked about going to night time prime time games at Arrowhead when it was in it's prime and how things in KC were. How we wanted so badly for the Chiefs to be like the Steelers or the Ravens.


I told him that hopefully we just have to grit our teeth and get thru 6 more weeks. I then told him all about SOC and the things they were doing and he got excited for that, but also pissed that we have sit thru things for this long without doing something like this.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:36 PM   #96
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WTF?!?!

If he's contacting others for GM jobs, don't you think they can figure out who they'll be replacing?
You don't think that this FO realizes how ****ed they are?
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:37 PM   #97
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No, no, no. You preempt any of this bullshit by making it clear that person X is in a temporary role, which will be filled by someone outside of the organization.

That requires leadership from Clark and would foster real, legitimate hope.
Yep this is not complicated and happens all the time.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:40 PM   #98
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No, no, no. You preempt any of this bullshit by making it clear that person X is in a temporary role, which will be filled by someone outside of the organization.

That requires leadership from Clark and would foster real, legitimate hope.
I'd be fine with this.


KC sports fans, Chiefs fans in particular, want so badly to have a competitive team. Hell you can see how passionate they are by what they have gone thru and still been there for games, tailgating etc. No doubt in my mind that when this thing gets turned around, KC might have the most loyal fanatical fanbase in the NFl and that Arrowhead be what it once was.

But some fences need mending in that regard.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:44 PM   #99
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And outside of Cowher and Gruden, he CANNOT TALK TO OTHER CANDIDATES until the season is over.
Yeah, but we all know that this policy is subverted all of the time. While you might not be able to talk to a certain individual, you can talk to that individual's agent, etc.

As TTC stated yesterday, though, it's likely that Clark is completely lost on this thing, rocking in a corner, sobbing and sucking his thumb.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:46 PM   #100
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Yeah, but we all know that this policy is subverted all of the time. While you might not be able to talk to a certain individual, you can talk to that individual's agent, etc.

As TTC stated yesterday, though, it's likely that Clark is completely lost on this thing, rocking in a corner, sobbing and sucking his thumb.
All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:52 PM   #101
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All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
We both want the same thing, but this fail train isn't stopping until it hits rock bottom, whether Pioli is the GM or not.

Thus, what would be the negative of firing him and promoting Farmer in an interim role? You don't have to kill Farmer in the process, a statement like this would suffice: "Ray Farmer, who has long been a valued man in our front office, will be our interim GM, but this position will be filled from someone outside the organization. We're going this direction not because Farmer is not qualified for the job--he is--but because I believe we need an outside perspective to get this great organization back to where it needs to be." /Hunt
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:54 PM   #102
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Another reason not to fire him now is, honestly, I want the ****er to go down with the ship. No excuses.


Nothing other than 1-15 is a success this year, with that bald asshole taking the brunt of the force from it.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:54 PM   #103
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All I'm saying is that, outside of placating the fans, firing Pioli now accomplishes nothing.

And to me, placating the fans takes a backseat to GETTING IT RIGHT. Get the right GM and the right coach and the fans are inherently placated by the WINNING.
If Clark knows he is firing Pioli, having him around for another 6 weeks does absolutely no good. In fact it could cause an issue if Pioli realizes he is getting canned and tries to **** things up on the way out. Pioli has proven he is self centered,I doubt he will take his termination very well.
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You don't think that this FO realizes how ****ed they are?
No its like the last days of Hitler in the bunker. If only Romeo can win 3-4 games we will be ok.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:57 PM   #105
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Although if you do fire him now, you take out the possibilty of this team winning 2 or 3 more games and him deflecting blame towards something else.
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