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Old 11-15-2012, 07:14 AM  
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A week later Romney is still a douchebag

My guess Mittens he won because he didn't insult half the country and didn't come across as a prick to normal middle class people.

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Mitt Romney told donors Wednesday he blamed last week’s loss to President Barack Obama in part to “gifts” the Obama administration gave to key voter blocs, including African Americans, Hispanics and young women, according to media reports.

“The president’s campaign focused on giving targeted groups a big gift — so he made a big effort on small things. Those small things, by the way, add up to trillions of dollars,” Romney said on a conference call with donors, the Los Angeles Times first reported.

The “gifts,” according to Romney, included forgiving college loan interest, free contraceptive coverage and the part of Obamacare that allows people 26 and younger to be covered under their parents’ health care plans.

“You can imagine for somebody making $25,000 or $30,000 or $35,000 a year, being told you’re now going to get free healthcare, particularly if you don’t have it, getting free healthcare worth, what, $10,000 per family, in perpetuity. I mean, this is huge,” Romney said, the New York Times reported.

“Likewise with Hispanic voters, free healthcare was a big plus,” Romney added. “But in addition with regards to Hispanic voters, the amnesty for children of illegals, the so-called Dream Act kids, was a huge plus for that voting group.”




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Old 11-15-2012, 09:35 AM   #46
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That last post was just a joke. Seriously though, Romney is just pointing out that Obama's supporters are mostly cheap whores and welfare crackheads (figuratively speaking). It's not like we didn't know this already.
That's nice pat. It's good you're not bitter....
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:36 AM   #47
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Jindal disagrees that this is the narrative that the GOP should put forth, that they should be above that.

I'm not sure where I read that he disagrees with Mitt's assessment. Only that he shouldn't point it out.
I take it from his quote he disagrees..

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"That is absolutely wrong," Jindal said at Wednesday's session of the annual Republican Governors Association meeting in Las Vegas, according to the Washington Examiner's Byron York. "I absolutely reject that notion."
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:37 AM   #48
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That's nice pat. It's good you're not bitter....
It's not being bitter at all. There is a lot of fact to that. Those that want continued and increased handouts (gifts) came out and voted for Obama. Not saying it was only those types that voted for him as there are many Democrats that actually work and do not expect handouts.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:37 AM   #49
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Bobby Jindal disagrees with Mittens and he thinks he is dividing the country. Good for Jindal for standing up and speaking the truth
Correctly spoken for a man with 2016 aspirations.

The divisions in this country have been in place for 4+ years and are due in large part to obama and the left. Inciting class warfare and social envy are page 1 in the D play book.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:40 AM   #50
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That's nice pat. It's good you're not bitter....
I'm just keeping it real.
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It's not being bitter at all. There is a lot of fact to that. Those that want continued and increased handouts (gifts) came out and voted for Obama. Not saying it was only those types that voted for him as there are many Democrats that actually work and do not expect handouts.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:43 AM   #52
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Because I'm a babbling idiot I recognize babbling idiots. But most of all, I am proving how I am losing my argument.
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I have stated for the longest time I believe in Medicare for All. That is no surprise.
Fine. But it's still more power at the federal level. That's all I am saying. It denies choices for others on what they would do with that money they pay into that program. Now those who paid into it for years got it cut. Denying them what was promised when they complied.

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Immigration and enforcement of our borders is a federal issue and always will be.
Thank you for more proof of what I said, even though this is not what the Constitution states.

There was no real provision here at the time of the founding.

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And the one thing that Feds should do is National defense, doesn't matter if it is offense or defense the goal is to protect this country.
Well, I agree on defense...but offense, or starting war, is another seizing of power at the federal level since it's not what our Framers intended. We can argue all day long as to whether it's truly defense which historically has not been the case. Our Framers, who supported balanced govt, also supported the then standards for international law at their time which recognized this as aggressive. It also violates the Nuremberg standards on starting wars that we imposed on Germany.

Then there's the case I haven't seen you make about how it's the role of congress to declare war not a president. Yet Obama started acts of war on Libya under Nato which is under the wanna-be govt —the UN.

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Most people aren't stupid RP's supporters who believe we shouldn't defend this country and our allies overseas.
Most people? I guess you haven't seen the polls on the American people being war weary and think we're doing too much in this area. Sounds like it. You can diss Paul all you want, but he was the one who owned this issue when it came to most of the American people.

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Also if you could actually read which I am pretty sure you can't I said the Things the Fed government shouldn't do or have a less role in.
I am just saying, I don't see you calling for any action to roll back the federal govt but consistently argue for increasing its role if you look at it as a lump sum total. And you insisted how a state should conduct education. That's imposing your value choices on another state.

Your move.

My guess, it will start out with another ad hominem. I guess you've conceded.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:47 AM   #53
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It's not being bitter at all. There is a lot of fact to that. Those that want continued and increased handouts (gifts) came out and voted for Obama. Not saying it was only those types that voted for him as there are many Democrats that actually work and do not expect handouts.
Show me your facts.
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It's hard to beat Santa Claus when dealing with children.
Great response!
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:49 AM   #55
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Correctly spoken for a man with 2016 aspirations.

The divisions in this country have been in place for 4+ years and are due in large part to obama and the left. Inciting class warfare and social envy are page 1 in the D play book.
So there were no divisions prior to Obama? Strange it seems to me I remember alot of people on the right claiming anyone not for a certain war were rooting for the terrorists to win and hated America. That was a real Kumbaya moment
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:51 AM   #56
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It's not being bitter at all. There is a lot of fact to that. Those that want continued and increased handouts (gifts) came out and voted for Obama. Not saying it was only those types that voted for him as there are many Democrats that actually work and do not expect handouts.
.... Right...

That mindset is why Mittens lost... and why the Republican party continues to drift away..
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:51 AM   #57
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So there were no divisions prior to Obama? Strange it seems to me I remember alot of people on the right claiming anyone not for a certain war were rooting for the terrorists to win and hated America.
There absolutely were divisions prior to obama. My point was that obama plays on them, incites them, as a major part of his stragey.
Forgive me if I wasn't clear on that.

The example you cite is nowhere near the level of the class and race warfare obama engenders.
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.... Right...

That mindset is why Mittens lost... and why the Republican party continues to drift away..
How many times have we heard this about the Republicans....only to have them come back? Quite a lot.

Democratic programs have had a way of making future Republicans. The youth will change with experience and age.
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Old 11-15-2012, 09:58 AM   #59
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There absolutely were divisions prior to obama. My point was that obama plays on them, incites them, as a major part of his stragey.
Forgive me if I wasn't clear on that.

The example you cite is nowhere near the level of the class and race warfare obama engenders.
So did the right after 9/11 by saying anyone who disagreed with them were traitors and supported the terrorists. To me that is alot worse than saying rich people should pay 4% more in taxes.
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Why exactly its Romney a douchebag for telling the truth?

Obama certainly didn't win on his own record.
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