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Old 11-10-2012, 06:47 PM  
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Obama wins Florida ......... finally.

FL Election Results 2012: Barack Obama Defeats Mitt Romney
By TAMARA LUSH 11/10/12 01:34 PM ET U.S. President Barack Obama addresses a crowd of supporters on stage on election night November 6, 2012 in Chicago, Illinois. (JEWEL SAMAD/AFP/Getty Images)
ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. — President Barack Obama was declared the winner of Florida's 29 electoral votes Saturday, ending a four-day count with a razor-thin margin that narrowly avoided an automatic recount that would have brought back memories of 2000.
No matter the outcome, Obama had already clinched re-election and now has 332 electoral votes to Romney's 206.
The Florida Secretary of State's Office said that with almost 100 percent of the vote counted, Obama led Republican challenger Mitt Romney 50 percent to 49.1 percent, a difference of about 74,000 votes. That was over the half-percent margin where a computer recount would have been automatically ordered unless Romney had waived it.
There is a Nov. 16 deadline for overseas and military ballots, but under Florida law, recounts are based on Saturday's results. Only a handful of overseas and military ballots are believed to remain outstanding.
It's normal for election supervisors in Florida and other states to spend days after any election counting absentee, provisional, military and overseas ballots. Usually, though, the election has already been called on election night or soon after because the winner's margin is beyond reach.
"Florida has spoken loudly in support of moving our nation forward," Ashley Walker, the Obama campaign's director for Florida, said in a news release. She added that the win was a testament to the campaign's volunteers and staff.
When reached by phone Saturday, Mitt Romney's communications director Gail Gitcho said the campaign had no comment.
Obama's win came in part from heavy support from black, Hispanic and younger voters. Exit polls conducted for The Associated Press showed Obama was favored by more than 9 of 10 black voters and 3 of 5 Hispanic voters in Florida. The president also was the choice of two-thirds of voters under age 30.
Republican challenger Mitt Romney led among both white and older voters.

In the end, the facts of who voted for which candidate in Florida faded into memory as voting issues emerged election night.
On election night this year, it was difficult for officials – and the media – to call the presidential race here, in part because the margin was so close and the voting stretched into the evening.
In Miami-Dade, for instance, so many people were in line at 7 p.m. in certain precincts that some people didn't vote until after midnight.
The hours-long wait at the polls in some areas, a lengthy ballot and the fact that Gov. Rick Scott refused to extend early voting hours has led some to criticize Florida's voting process. Some officials have vowed to investigate why there were problems at the polls and how that led to a lengthy vote count.
If there had been a recount, it would not be as difficult as the lengthy one in 2000. The state no longer uses punch-card ballots, which became known for their hanging chads. All 67 counties now use optical scan ballots where voters mark their selections manually.
Republican George W. Bush won the 2000 contest after the Supreme Court declared him the winner over Democrat Al Gore by a scant 537 votes.
The win gave Obama victories in eight of the nine swing states, losing only North Carolina. In addition to Florida, he won Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Virginia, Colorado and Nevada.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:37 PM   #31
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Wow, a real indictment of Obama there. You really have to read between the lines that don't mention Obama at all, but--oh, its in there.
apparantly Obama was too busy with this pesky election to negotiate Mills lease for him.

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Old 11-10-2012, 09:38 PM   #32
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Like I said, you can't articulate your case as to why. Thank you very much. But I am hearing talk of more layoffs on tv and about a guy going to layoff to keep his staff under a certain number to save increased costs of ACA.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/pennsy...2#.UJ8gqIXyzss
Your asking him to disprove a case that doesn't exist.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:42 PM   #33
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Obama wins—more!

Murray Energy lays off 105 in Utah; Obama blamed (Video)
UtahAmerican Energy, Inc., a subsidiary of Murray Energy announced Thursday it is laying off 105 workers at the West Ridge Mine in East Carbon County and is blaming the re-election of President Barack Obama. The layoffs are effective immediately. The company also laid off 54 miners in Illinois on Wednesday, citing the same reason.

In a statement released Friday, Murray Energy CEO Robert Murray, one of republican candidate Mitt Romney’s most enthusiastic supporters said the layoffs are necessary due to the Obama administration’s “war on coal,” and policies designed to close “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014.”
This company was named earlier but this text I think is better as to why.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:44 PM   #34
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Like I said, you can't articulate your case as to why. Thank you very much. But I am hearing talk of more layoffs on tv and about a guy going to layoff to keep his staff under a certain number to save increased costs of ACA.


http://washingtonexaminer.com/pennsy...2#.UJ8gqIXyzss
Case as to why what? There's at least two assertions here--that these companies are laying off and it is BECAUSE OF Obama's re-election.

Part 1 may be true, but part 2 seems made up, and I think it is on you to substantiate it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:45 PM   #35
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Case as to why what? There's at least two assertions here--that these companies are laying off and it is BECAUSE OF Obama's re-election.

Part 1 may be true, but part 2 seems made up, and I think it is on you to substantiate it.
You have the link. It's also date coincident. You're also making a claim they aren't.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:49 PM   #36
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You have the link. It's also date coincident. You're also making a claim they aren't.
Your link didn't work, but I did see the same story on Glen Beck's website, so that doesn't help the credibility. Diddy already debunked one of them right off.

And the coal companies weren't even on that list.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:54 PM   #37
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Case as to why what? There's at least two assertions here--that these companies are laying off and it is BECAUSE OF Obama's re-election.

Part 1 may be true, but part 2 seems made up, and I think it is on you to substantiate it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 09:57 PM   #38
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You guys will have to just believe me, or not, because I didn't post it, but I called 332 electoral votes for Obama. I felt good about 303, but just wasn't sure about Florida, and finally settled on thinking Obama would win that, too.
We had a thread for charity to post, why didn't you, it was free?

But, maybe you didn't post because you saw what happened to me when I just suggested that Florida was back in play.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:09 PM   #40
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Market conditions favor natural gas right now. It's cleaner and cheaper. Utilities are managing the transition fine. Markets have losers and coal is currently a loser.
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Old 11-10-2012, 10:14 PM   #42
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Market conditions favor natural gas right now. It's cleaner and cheaper. Utilities are managing the transition fine. Markets have losers and coal is currently a loser.
It is true coal is being hit by natural gas. Still, Obama's regs have sped up the decline. I said this was a factor in my earlier post.
Nice way to help people transition easily. The market would have handled it more gradually.
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It is true coal is being hit by natural gas. Still, Obama's regs have sped up the decline.
Please feel free to provide proof of that correlation.

Just kidding, I know you won't.
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It is true coal is being hit by natural gas. Still, Obama's regs have sped up the decline. I said this was a factor in my earlier post.
Nice way to help people transition easily. The market would have handled it more gradually.
US textile workers disagree.
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Also, markets do not have mechanisms for dealing with things like pollution, so regulations are required to deal with that. Even with the billions that utilities have spent on pollution control equipment for coal fire-plants, it is still dirtier than cheaper NG.
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