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Old 11-10-2012, 11:08 AM  
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1980, revisited

Just wanted to illustrate the challenging environment the overwhelmingly-white GOP now finds themselves in.

Non-hispanic white vote:

1980 - 89%
1984 - 87%
1988 - 85%
1992 - 87%
1996 - 83%
2000 - 81%
2004 - 77%
2008 - 74%
2012 - 72%

In 1980, Reagan won by 9.7%. I did a little math, if that election had today's demographics by race (72% white, 13% black, 10% hispanic, 2% asian) and by gender (47% men, 53% women instead of 50/50), based on how they voted for reagan and carter back then in the 1980 exit polls, it looks like Reagan would have won the popular vote by only 8-tenths of a percent. (roughly 45.3% to 44.5%, in 1980 3rd party candidates took over 8%)

I was going to do something fancier with a new re-colored map and electoral college vote total, but the exit pollsters back then didnt do by-state exit polling, just national, so the best I can do is national popular vote.

If those minority racial groups voted the way they did this year, Reagan probably would have lost. Carter won fewer hispanics than Obama did, and Reagan won about 11% of black voters back then.
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Old 11-10-2012, 12:58 PM   #16
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How about we just embrace anyone who wants to live here as Americans. Coming here for liberty and more opportunity to make it big? Let go of this hyphenated American or foreign labels.

Personally, I think the average voter voted for divided govt. They were alarmed at at a one party rule did under the Republicans and then the Democrats who they felt went too far. Seems to me this was an invitation to stop the bickering.
This is valid if you can show how many people voted for Obama and an R House candidate. Since House candidates are voted on in much smaller districts than the president, which is state-wide, people could easliy vote in several R House member, pick Obama as Pres., and not necessarily be for divided govt.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:03 PM   #17
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JFC! Hispanic is NOT a race!!! They're European decedents and white as white.
Oh, get over it. People more recently associated with the lands south of the US border. JFC
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:04 PM   #18
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Probably because much of the anti-illegal immigration rhetoric of the right comes off as mean-spirited and racist to immigrants in general and Hispanics in particular, and the they find it offensive to them.

I'm not saying all right-wing immigration positions ARE racist, but the way they are often presented, could, just maybe, be seen by Hispanics as slightly hostile toward Hispanics in general.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:14 PM   #19
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Oh, get over it. People more recently associated with the lands south of the US border. JFC
Huh? They're suddenly a race? They're white people that made bad decisions and their kids eat scraps out of landfills with horrible corruption. No one ever said all white people were smart... especially the decedents from the Iberian peninsula.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:17 PM   #21
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JFC! Hispanic is NOT a race!!! They're European decedents and white as white.
What groups do you consider to be a "race" and what is your rationale for such?
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Huh? They're suddenly a race? They're white people that made bad decisions and their kids eat scraps out of landfills with horrible corruption. No one ever said all white people were smart... especially the decedents from the Iberian peninsula.
The argument you are making is irrelevant in the context of this thread. Call hispanics whatever you like, but they are an ascendant ethnic group whose political behavior is sharply different from non-hispanic whites.
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I wonder if having Rubio on the ticket instead of Ryan would have made much of a difference?
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What groups do you consider to be a "race" and what is your rationale for such?
He is technically correct. However, its a useless distinction, kind of like having a heated discussion that the tomato is, in fact, a fruit even though for the sake of cooking they are treated and thought of as a vegetable.
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Huh? They're suddenly a race? They're white people that made bad decisions and their kids eat scraps out of landfills with horrible corruption. No one ever said all white people were smart... especially the decedents from the Iberian peninsula.
You are correct, they are not a race, they are an ethnic group. Nevertheless is appears that a) you can easily identify them as a group separate from the group you self-identify with, and b) you make generalizations about the group that indicates you think your group is intrinsically superior to their group.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:29 PM   #27
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Doesn't matter. The tone of it is often so hostile they thake it as an insult to Hispanics in general. At least, that what "they" say.
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Doesn't matter. The tone of it is often so hostile they thake it as an insult to Hispanics in general. At least, that what "they" say.
Then I don't really care. If the legal Hispanics (both through immigration and birth) choose not to make the distinction, I don't see what the GOP should do.
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Old 11-10-2012, 01:33 PM   #29
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His·pan·ic   [hi-span-ik]
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1. Spanish.
2. Latin American: the United States and its Hispanic neighbors.


my high school spanish teacher said that anybody whose primary language was spanish was hispanic. since i have no higher authority to consult, other than my high school spanish teacher and dictionary.com, i have to say it is not a race.
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He is technically correct. However, its a useless distinction, kind of like having a heated discussion that the tomato is, in fact, a fruit even though for the sake of cooking they are treated and thought of as a vegetable.
Not get all group huggish about it but in truth there is the human "race" and within that are a variety of subgroupings which often had as their original basis geographic location. Using the term race is an over step. Frankly it doesn't matter semantically speaking. If one party was losing the blonde vote 5-1, you would think there would be work begun to rectify it.
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