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The Conservative Media Is Lying To You

Conor Friedersdorf ****ing nails it. If you bathe in the muck of the vast majority of conservative media -- if you read FoxNews.com more than any other site, if you hail Mark Levin as brilliant, if you live and die by Drudge...

Then you are being lied to.

There are plenty of conservative sources that simply have a conservative view on the world -- the Wall Street Journal, for instance. But that's distinct from the profitable media empire that sells propaganda damn near 24/7.

Example #1, since it comes up so much in this forum: the Drudge Report.

How many times did the Drudge Report link to Nate Silver, who absolutely crushed his election predictions? Zero.
How many times did the Drudge Report link to Dick Morris? A dozen.

And yet you bought it. You might recall sitting there watching the election returns, certain that Romney would win because for months you've been inundated with Republican whores like Morris telling you what you wanted to hear -- "Obama's a paper tiger," "his campaign is getting desperate," "absolutely nobody I know is voting Obama," "I see more Romney yard signs," "look at this outlier poll that favors Romney"...

Then the results come in, largely how the vast majority of polls told us they would.

You were misinformed. Massively. And it's not just limited to election returns. On climate change, tax rates, income inequality, immigration, healthcare, energy, foreign policy (in particular the Middle East), gay rights for the longest time, and of course Obama himself... You are being sold a bullshit platter that leaves you just as misinformed as you were about the prospective election results.

The biggest offender, of course, is Fox News. Not that they're the most egregious violators of conservative propaganda, but they're by far the most pervasive and the most influential.

You trust Fox News because you believe they are simply reporting from a conservative point of view. That's not true. They are actively selling bullshit. This election and Rove's meltdown on the evening of the 6th is proof. This is an organization that is financially and professionally tied to the Republican Party. Fox News' overlords donate heavily to the GOP. Many Republican candidates for the Presidency either end up or originate as Fox News contributors. This is not an independent outlet in any shape or form, it is a direct arm of the Republican Party.

Get out of this bubble. Set Google News as your homepage. And embrace the next four years as an opportunity to find out what you actually believe, rather than simply adopting the narrative of charlatans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...d-file/264855/

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File
Nate Silver was right. His ideological antagonists were wrong. And that's just the beginning of the right's self-created information disadvantage.
By Conor Friedersdorf
Nov 7 2012, 6:30 AM ET

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely born out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.


Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.

Conservatives should be familiar with its contours. For years, they've been arguing that liberal control of media and academia confers one advantage: Folks on the right can't help but be familiar with the thinking of liberals, whereas leftists can operate entirely within a liberal cocoon. This analysis was offered to explain why liberal ideas were growing weaker and would be defeated.

Today?

It is easy to close oneself off inside a conservative echo chamber. And right-leaning outlets like Fox News and Rush Limbaugh's show are far more intellectually closed than CNN or public radio. If you're a rank-and-file conservative, you're probably ready to acknowledge that ideologically friendly media didn't accurately inform you about Election 2012. Some pundits engaged in wishful thinking; others feigned confidence in hopes that it would be a self-fulfilling prophecy; still others decided it was smart to keep telling right-leaning audiences what they wanted to hear.

But guess what?

You haven't just been misinformed about the horse race. Since the very beginning of the election cycle, conservative media has been failing you. With a few exceptions, they haven't tried to rigorously tell you the truth, or even to bring you intellectually honest opinion. What they've done instead helps to explain why the right failed to triumph in a very winnable election.

Why do you keep putting up with it?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because Romney supporters like Jennifer Rubin and Hugh Hewitt saw it as their duty to spin constantly for their favored candidate rather than being frank about his strengths and weaknesses. What conservative Washington Post readers got, when they traded in Dave Weigel for Rubin, was a lot more hackery and a lot less informed about the presidential election.

Conservatives were at an information disadvantage because so many right-leaning outlets wasted time on stories the rest of America dismissed as nonsense. WorldNetDaily brought you birtherism. Forbes brought you Kenyan anti-colonialism. National Review obsessed about an imaginary rejection of American exceptionalism, misrepresenting an Obama quote in the process, and Andy McCarthy was interviewed widely about his theory that Obama, aka the Drone Warrior in Chief, allied himself with our Islamist enemies in a "Grand Jihad" against America. Seriously?

Conservatives were at a disadvantage because their information elites pandered in the most cynical, self-defeating ways, treating would-be candidates like Sarah Palin and Herman Cain as if they were plausible presidents rather than national jokes who'd lose worse than George McGovern.

How many months were wasted on them?

How many hours of Glenn Beck conspiracy theories did Fox News broadcast to its viewers? How many hours of transparently mindless Sean Hannity content is still broadcast daily? Why don't Americans trust Republicans on foreign policy as they once did? In part because conservatism hasn't grappled with the foreign-policy failures of George W. Bush. A conspiracy of silence surrounds the subject. Romney could neither run on the man's record nor repudiate it. The most damaging Romney gaffe of the campaign, where he talked about how the 47 percent of Americans who pay no income taxes are a lost cause for Republicans? Either he was unaware that many of those people are Republican voters, or was pandering to GOP donors who are misinformed. Either way, bad information within the conservative movement was to blame.

In conservative fantasy-land, Richard Nixon was a champion of ideological conservatism, tax cuts are the only way to raise revenue, adding neoconservatives to a foreign-policy team reassures American voters, Benghazi was a winning campaign issue, Clint Eastwood's convention speech was a brilliant triumph, and Obama's America is a place where black kids can beat up white kids with impunity. Most conservative pundits know better than this nonsense -- not that they speak up against it. They see criticizing their own side as a sign of disloyalty. I see a coalition that has lost all perspective, partly because there's no cost to broadcasting or publishing inane bullshit. In fact, it's often very profitable. A lot of cynical people have gotten rich broadcasting and publishing red meat for movement conservative consumption.

On the biggest political story of the year, the conservative media just got its ass handed to it by the mainstream media. And movement conservatives, who believe the MSM is more biased and less rigorous than their alternatives, have no way to explain how their trusted outlets got it wrong, while the New York Times got it right. Hint: The Times hired the most rigorous forecaster it could find.

It ought to be an eye-opening moment.

But I expect that it'll be quickly forgotten, that none of the conservatives who touted a polling conspiracy will be discredited, and that the right will continue to operate at an information disadvantage. After all, it's not like they'll trust the analysis of a non-conservative like me more than the numerous fellow conservatives who constantly tell them things that turn out not to be true.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:35 AM   #16
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Dude,

Your guy won the election.

If you want to be classy about it, you might think about dialing it back a little.
I don't think that was spiking the ball, it was fairly factual. Fox News helped create the right wing bubble where a lot of people would get their news and wouldn't look elsewhere. When the polls didn't look good, they looked to Rasmussen (which ended up being one of the most inaccurate polls) for their poll results and got misled into thinking the election was in the bag for Romney. I watched some of the Dick Morris clips from Fox News and he was predicting Romney would win by 8-9 points in Ohio. Predicting a win is one thing, but by 9 points in that state was patently absurd. Yet people still bought it because they refused to look elsewhere. As a result, a lot of right wingers were shocked when Obama won in an electoral college landslide. If they hadn't dismissed every other poll, maybe they would have seen the landslide coming.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:36 AM   #17
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Liberals may have won this election, but conservatives will never "bow down" to your asses as much as you think they should


What?
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:38 AM   #18
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There is a liberal equivalent. But it doesn't dominate the left the way the conservative media dominates the right.
Sure it does. Why else would the liberal media be going on about Obama having a mandate, when he barely won the popular vote, and is the first President in history to be re-elected with LESS electoral votes than he got the first time.


In addition, you have no way of knowing whether Drudge ever link to 538....unless you were checking Drudge every single day, multiple times a day (since Drudge constantly updates his links)...Surely you would not be doing that...that would make you a bit like good ole pete, now wouldn't it?
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:39 AM   #19
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Yeah it does. People on the other side are just as bad...
Yeah, no.

There is no liberal equivalent to talk radio. MSNBC is definitively liberal but is not intrinsically tied financially and politically to the Democratic Party in the way Fox News is. And coming from someone who reads both religiously, the liberal blogosphere is heads and shoulders more informed and more factual than the conservative blogosphere.
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Is there video of Roves meltdown? I'd love to see it. Been at my farm and haven't had a chance to watch it during election nite but heard it was awesome
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:39 AM   #21
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You honestly believe that there wasn't a LARGE block of Obama voters that weren't swayed by propaganda on THEIR SIDE?

I heard a caller on the radio say "I voted for Obama because he's gonna give me free food, free healthcare, and he's gonna get me into college."
Ah the old law nature that says both sides must be equal and opposite in all things. It must be comforting, and help stave off any painful introspection, to know than the matter what scurrilous bullshit your side pulls - the other side is always just as bad.

There is no equivalent on the left of the Rupert Murdoch media empire – not in viewership, not in intensity, not in brazenness, not in the level to which their constituents buy everything they're selling.
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Sure it does. Why else would the liberal media be going on about Obama having a mandate, when he barely won the popular vote, and is the first President in history to be re-elected with LESS electoral votes than he got the first time.
Because a mandate is when you win 50%+ of the vote.

That is a fact.

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In addition, you have no way of knowing whether Drudge ever link to 538....unless you were checking Drudge every single day, multiple times a day (since Drudge constantly updates his links)...Surely you would not be doing that...
I check Drudge every single day.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:41 AM   #23
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Sure it does. Why else would the liberal media be going on about Obama having a mandate, when he barely won the popular vote, and is the first President in history to be re-elected with LESS electoral votes than he got the first time.


In addition, you have no way of knowing whether Drudge ever link to 538....unless you were checking Drudge every single day, multiple times a day (since Drudge constantly updates his links)...Surely you would not be doing that...that would make you a bit like good ole pete, now wouldn't it?
The liberal media is not going on about Obama having a mandate. Again this is probably a symptom of you being stuck in the right wing media bubble, where they found one quote and are running with it 24/7 to get you all riled up.

Just watch CNN one day a week or something. I know it's not as entertaining, and they won't always tell you what you want to hear, but at least you'll know what's going on outside the bubble?
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You honestly believe that there wasn't a LARGE block of Obama voters that weren't swayed by propaganda on THEIR SIDE?

I heard a caller on the radio say "I voted for Obama because he's gonna give me free food, free healthcare, and he's gonna get me into college."
What "liberal" media source reported this as true? Thats the point.

I saw plenty of crazy Republicans make all sorts of stupid claims.
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Is there video of Roves meltdown? I'd love to see it. Been at my farm and haven't had a chance to watch it during election nite but heard it was awesome
Here is a quick paraphrasing:

Fox News Anchor: We are calling Ohio for Obama. He has been re-elected.

Rove: No, don't, there are still votes left to count and it's still close.

Fox News Anchor: Dude, most of the votes left are in democratic precints. It's over, deal with it.

Rove starts pouting and talking about Florida being called too early in 2000. Fox News anchors look at him like he is retarded.
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I don't think that was spiking the ball, it was fairly factual. Fox News helped create the right wing bubble where a lot of people would get their news and wouldn't look elsewhere. When the polls didn't look good, they looked to Rasmussen (which ended up being one of the most inaccurate polls) for their poll results and got misled into thinking the election was in the bag for Romney. I watched some of the Dick Morris clips from Fox News and he was predicting Romney would win by 8-9 points in Ohio. Predicting a win is one thing, but by 9 points in that state was patently absurd. Yet people still bought it because they refused to look elsewhere. As a result, a lot of right wingers were shocked when Obama won in an electoral college landslide. If they hadn't dismissed every other poll, maybe they would have seen the landslide coming.
Once you prime the pump by selling your constituency on the idea that "scientists and mathematicians are a bunch of eggheads who don't know what they're talking about", it becomes relatively trivial to get them to believe pollsters have no idea what they're talking about.

The only question is do you want to go down that road and damage your credibility? Apparently Fox said yes the selection. It will be interesting to see if they follow the same route in the next presidential election. My guess is no.
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The only question is do you want to go down that road and damage your credibility? Apparently Fox said yes the selection. It will be interesting to see if they follow the same route in the next presidential election. My guess is no.
If they don't, Republican candidates need to completely distance themselves from Fox News and the other RWNJs on the airwaves and tv. Crazy almost never wins.
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Is there video of Roves meltdown? I'd love to see it. Been at my farm and haven't had a chance to watch it during election nite but heard it was awesome
I'm pretty sure you can YouTube it.
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Is there video of Roves meltdown? I'd love to see it. Been at my farm and haven't had a chance to watch it during election nite but heard it was awesome
Can't figure out how to get the embed link on the iPad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk
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If they don't, Republican candidates need to completely distance themselves from Fox News and the other RWNJs on the airwaves and tv. Crazy almost never wins.
Hopefully we're seeing that start right now with Boehner and Christie.

Both have been slaughtered on talk radio the past couple weeks for reaching out and being complementary towards Obama.
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