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Old 11-07-2012, 07:45 AM   #76
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My hope for the political future is that both sides will finally try to find common ground and work together... there is no more need to try and force our POTUS to look bad... he's already been reelected... reach across that isle and do work congress... stop hoping for failure and start making good things happen... the people have hire you to do a job... do it... it's really that simple... stop campaigning and act in the best interest of this country for a change!

Agree completely...
Who did they vote for?

If they voted for Romney that is mighty big of them. If they voted for Obama it means jack shit.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:46 AM   #77
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:50 AM   #78
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I wonder if Texas will really secede from union now.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:51 AM   #79
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Watching Obama's speech last night, I couldn't help but think that this is not good news for the Ron Paul campaign.
Actually, it's good news for the movement...as the GOP has lost its way.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:52 AM   #80
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You are a good dude InChiefsHell but you need to open your eyes and ears. There was a metric ton of vitriol and hate that spewed from the right for the last 4 years.
Agreed. It seems nobody can simply state their case without the other side demonizing the shit out of them. We've become a Jerry Springer society, anyone who disagrees with us must be destroyed. This is true for both sides.

Repubs are pissed about all the crap that happened during the Bush years, all the demonization of the man rather than his policies. So, they fight back using the same tactic. It's all so personal now, nobody looks at issues academically any more. Hell, maybe they never did...

BUT, I have to believe that people are passionate about their beliefs, and so they fight hard for them. The problem is the way we fight. It's not even about issues anymore, it's the cult of personality. Whoever wins that fight wins elections...regardless of their stance on issues.
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Old 11-07-2012, 07:53 AM   #81
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My son graduates in 2 weeks from Marine Boot. I'm worried about this as well.
Forget politics...Best of luck to your son and may God be with him if he is ever in harms way!!!
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:00 AM   #82
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Agreed. It seems nobody can simply state their case without the other side demonizing the shit out of them. We've become a Jerry Springer society, anyone who disagrees with us must be destroyed. This is true for both sides.

Repubs are pissed about all the crap that happened during the Bush years, all the demonization of the man rather than his policies. So, they fight back using the same tactic. It's all so personal now, nobody looks at issues academically any more. Hell, maybe they never did...

BUT, I have to believe that people are passionate about their beliefs, and so they fight hard for them. The problem is the way we fight. It's not even about issues anymore, it's the cult of personality. Whoever wins that fight wins elections...regardless of their stance on issues.
Good post. To take it a step further, congressional candidates these days are so beholden to the special interest asses they had to kiss in order to get elected that they can't work across the aisle even if they desperately wanted to. It is political suicide. Take the money out of the election process and you take those special interest asses with it.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:05 AM   #83
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Who did they vote for?

If they voted for Romney that is mighty big of them. If they voted for Obama it means jack shit.
I said the same thing here last night and I didn't vote for Obama.

It's time to move on. There's BIG problems to solve and they require our undivided attention.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:10 AM   #84
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:13 AM   #85
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Good post. To take it a step further, congressional candidates these days are so beholden to the special interest asses they had to kiss in order to get elected that they can't work across the aisle even if they desperately wanted to. It is political suicide. Take the money out of the election process and you take those special interest asses with it.
I blame the American public. Holy shit, these guys spent 2 Billion dollars between them on this election, and in essence, NOTHING CHANGED! Why is all that money necessary? Why do they make all negative ads? EVERYONE I KNOW hates that, yet they do it and it must be effective. Blame the special interests if you must, but all that money would not be necessary if it didn't "work" for the candidates.

Just once, I'd like a fuggin candidate who states what he\she believes, why they believe it and how they want it to be implemented. Instead we get so much tripe that apparently we gobble up...we must like this shit. Otherwise, we wouldn't put up with it.
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Agreed. It seems nobody can simply state their case without the other side demonizing the shit out of them. We've become a Jerry Springer society, anyone who disagrees with us must be destroyed. This is true for both sides.

Repubs are pissed about all the crap that happened during the Bush years, all the demonization of the man rather than his policies. So, they fight back using the same tactic. It's all so personal now, nobody looks at issues academically any more. Hell, maybe they never did...

BUT, I have to believe that people are passionate about their beliefs, and so they fight hard for them. The problem is the way we fight. It's not even about issues anymore, it's the cult of personality. Whoever wins that fight wins elections...regardless of their stance on issues.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:20 AM   #87
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I blame the American public. Holy shit, these guys spent 2 Billion dollars between them on this election, and in essence, NOTHING CHANGED! Why is all that money necessary? Why do they make all negative ads? EVERYONE I KNOW hates that, yet they do it and it must be effective. Blame the special interests if you must, but all that money would not be necessary if it didn't "work" for the candidates.

Just once, I'd like a fuggin candidate who states what he\she believes, why they believe it and how they want it to be implemented. Instead we get so much tripe that apparently we gobble up...we must like this shit. Otherwise, we wouldn't put up with it.
I agree with you, but which change would be easier to exact...changing 100 million people's minds that blind devotion to the two party system and voting straight party ticket no matter what isn't the best policy OR constitutional amendment repealing Citizens United and reforming campaign finance law?
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I blame the American public. Holy shit, these guys spent 2 Billion dollars between them on this election, and in essence, NOTHING CHANGED! Why is all that money necessary? Why do they make all negative ads? EVERYONE I KNOW hates that, yet they do it and it must be effective. Blame the special interests if you must, but all that money would not be necessary if it didn't "work" for the candidates.

Just once, I'd like a fuggin candidate who states what he\she believes, why they believe it and how they want it to be implemented. Instead we get so much tripe that apparently we gobble up...we must like this shit. Otherwise, we wouldn't put up with it.
social conditioning my friend. it is working on every level of society. and kids don't "hate it", they love it so much they continue the tactic out of HS and into the workplace -- where it is intended to be used as an effective productivity tool. Hell, just take an objective look at this entire site -- the most liked posters are the ones that use the worst beatdown tactics.
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:32 AM   #89
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I agree with you, but which change would be easier to exact...changing 100 million people's minds that blind devotion to the two party system and voting straight party ticket no matter what isn't the best policy OR constitutional amendment repealing Citizens United and reforming campaign finance law?
Hmmm...I thought they DID reform campaign finance law...heh. See where that got us.

I don't know. For instance, special interest often are made up of normal people, banding together and organizing to make their voices heard. The NRA, Unions, the SIerra club, etc. They are all "special interest" groups. Which ones are evil, which ones should not have a voice? It's a tough call.

I do think that these ads that are not endorsed by any candidate but are obviously endorsing a candidate are a real problem. Nobody knows where the hell that money is coming from at all. It's made the elections even more sinister.
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Hmmm...I thought they DID reform campaign finance law...heh. See where that got us.

I don't know. For instance, special interest often are made up of normal people, banding together and organizing to make their voices heard. The NRA, Unions, the SIerra club, etc. They are all "special interest" groups. Which ones are evil, which ones should not have a voice? It's a tough call.

I do think that these ads that are not endorsed by any candidate but are obviously endorsing a candidate are a real problem. Nobody knows where the hell that money is coming from at all. It's made the elections even more sinister.
There is no way to say this group is ok to throw their influence into the election ring because they are made up of normal people vs. those bastards over there(insert whoever you want), so I'm for all of them out. Each and every member of those clubs/groups still has their vote they can cast for whoever they want.
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