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Old 11-05-2012, 10:39 AM  
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• “When you are $20 million-$25 million under the cap, you can’t afford to let a homegrown guy like Brandon Carr get out of the building. Carl Peterson drafted him in the fifth round — (GM) Scott (Pioli) didn’t draft him. (Carr) is a bona fide starter and he is young and you let him get away on his first contract without getting anything in return? Go and pay him, especailly if he is so far under the cap. You are going to bring in Stanford Routt, who is getting diced by whoever he is lining up against and expect the same results? Routt can’t cover himself up at night. He is like that great mule everyone wants to ride. They could have had their two corners locked up for at least 4-5 years with (Brandon) Flowers and Carr. Instead, Carr is down in Dallas having a good season. Brian Waters had a great year in New England last year. How many good years (in Atlanta) has Tony Gonzalez had now? Enough said.”

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Old 11-05-2012, 12:18 PM   #46
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Contrary to this report, Carr has been getting burnt up in Dallas.
This.

I wasn't too upset they let him go. You can win a super bowl with a guy like Routt as your #2. The thing that sucks is the money saved from not signing Carr wasn't used to get Manning or extend Bowe.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:21 PM   #47
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I know paying corners that much is absurd, but the Chiefs should not have let Carr get away. He's a lock down corner in every sense of the word.

Honestly, Carr is better than Flowers.
I got blasted for making that last statement a few months ago. You simply cannot let the hardest working man on your football team walk away.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:23 PM   #48
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This.

I wasn't too upset they let him go. You can win a super bowl with a guy like Routt as your #2. The thing that sucks is the money saved from not signing Carr wasn't used to get Manning or extend Bowe.
Can win one easier with two corners the quality of Flowers and Carr.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:27 PM   #49
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Can win one easier with two corners the quality of Flowers and Carr.
Maybe. It's not like the Giants, Colts, or Steelers had great corners and when Green Bay won the title Woodson was out for most of the game.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:31 PM   #50
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Maybe. It's not like the Giants, Colts, or Steelers had great corners and when Green Bay won the title Woodson was out for most of the game.
The point is not the relative merits of the cornerback position, but the fact that talent is allowed to leave when there is more than adequate cap space to retain it. Either Pioli is a fool, or Clark has burdened the franchise with his own personal salary cap.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:33 PM   #51
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Maybe. It's not like the Giants, Colts, or Steelers had great corners and when Green Bay won the title Woodson was out for most of the game.
Giant's Corey Webster is pretty damn good. Tramon Williams was a monster when GB won a SB as well.

Incidentally, all of those teams had good or elite safety play. Safeties that aren't required to play man-coverage the entire game.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:35 PM   #52
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the reason Carr is so sorely missed is because this front seven blows. If it weren't for Carr/Flowers the past few years, this team would look about like it does, really.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:36 PM   #53
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I got blasted for making that last statement a few months ago. You simply cannot let the hardest working man on your football team walk away.
Exactly!!

And imagine how much more imaginative the defense could be - I mean, the defense RAC usually wants to go with, the DBs are expected to be flexible, as in play either S or CB (there is no true 'FS' or 'SS' in that D - both are expected to cover either side depending on the situation) - Berry is that guy (when he's 100% - and he's not right now) and Carr TOTALLY was that guy.

Carr could play either side CB, S or Nickel without being a liability at any (I'm talking to you, Travis Daniels and Javier Arenas); he could man up, and cover his zone. One-on-one or playing underneath assignments...

He was a model teammate and one of the most versatile and complete football players on the team...

and they let him walk, and signed a man-to-man cover corner who struggles with reads and zones.

Awesome.

Routt should've been a nickle back here, and Travis Daniels should be working at Home Depot.

But no, it's a process.
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Old 11-05-2012, 12:40 PM   #54
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Exactly!!

And imagine how much more imaginative the defense could be - I mean, the defense RAC usually wants to go with, the DBs are expected to be flexible, as in play either S or CB (there is no true 'FS' or 'SS' in that D - both are expected to cover either side depending on the situation) - Berry is that guy (when he's 100% - and he's not right now) and Carr TOTALLY was that guy.

Carr could play either side CB, S or Nickel without being a liability at any (I'm talking to you, Travis Daniels and Javier Arenas); he could man up, and cover his zone. One-on-one or playing underneath assignments...

He was a model teammate and one of the most versatile and complete football players on the team...

and they let him walk, and signed a man-to-man cover corner who struggles with reads and zones.

Awesome.

Routt should've been a nickle back here, and Travis Daniels should be working at Home Depot.

But no, it's a process.
Carr did none of those things. He played the right side and right side only. Just like Routt.
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Exactly!!

And imagine how much more imaginative the defense could be - I mean, the defense RAC usually wants to go with, the DBs are expected to be flexible, as in play either S or CB (there is no true 'FS' or 'SS' in that D - both are expected to cover either side depending on the situation) - Berry is that guy (when he's 100% - and he's not right now) and Carr TOTALLY was that guy.
Berry actually plays up in a LB spot covering TEs typically, not in a safety position in our sub package, which we run quite a bit. Carr never did that.
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This.

I wasn't too upset they let him go. You can win a super bowl with a guy like Routt as your #2. The thing that sucks is the money saved from not signing Carr wasn't used to get Manning or extend Bowe.
Agree. Carr or no Carr doesn't change much for this team, even though I really liked Carr.

It's all about getting that above-average QB and a good HC now. I'm still convinced that this team has top 10 talent outside of QB but definitly, some guys have underachieved.
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Carr did none of those things. He played the right side and right side only. Just like Routt.
But he was certainly capable. He has the physical talent, ball awareness, football IQ and work ethic to play either side, the middle, and in man or zone coverages.

Routt is strictly a man-to-man guy...and I think he a LCB his entire career in Oakland. Don't know if that could be a reason for his poor play, or if the disease os suck permeating the team has affected him to.

Chicken-or-the-egg.
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Exactly!!



Routt should've been a nickle back here,
Routt would get worked much worse on the inside. If you think he is playing horrible now, he would be that much more ineffective playing inside IMO.

Javier isn't the answer either. Don't think I'm saying that. We have no quality RCB or nickel/slot/inside corner (whatever term you prefer).
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Routt is strictly a man-to-man guy...and I think he a LCB his entire career in Oakland. Don't know if that could be a reason for his poor play, or if the disease os suck permeating the team has affected him to.
Routt is flat out one dumb som'bidge. Stupid.

He's got much better athletic ability than Carr or Flowers but he'll never see it to the end because he's a ****ing idiot. He's easily played (jawed from his game) by WR's and consistently makes mental errors.
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But he was certainly capable. He has the physical talent, ball awareness, football IQ and work ethic to play either side, the middle, and in man or zone coverages.

Routt is strictly a man-to-man guy...and I think he a LCB his entire career in Oakland. Don't know if that could be a reason for his poor play, or if the disease os suck permeating the team has affected him to.

Chicken-or-the-egg.
Carr would get worked on the inside IMO. He has also struggled playing the LCB spot for Dallas this year.

He is an effective man and zone player however.

Routt played RCB when Nmamdi was there and had his best results. He has struggled here. Simple as that.
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