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Old 11-05-2012, 09:39 AM  
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An NFL insider rips Pioli for letting quality players go

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity:

• “When you are $20 million-$25 million under the cap, you can’t afford to let a homegrown guy like Brandon Carr get out of the building. Carl Peterson drafted him in the fifth round — (GM) Scott (Pioli) didn’t draft him. (Carr) is a bona fide starter and he is young and you let him get away on his first contract without getting anything in return? Go and pay him, especailly if he is so far under the cap. You are going to bring in Stanford Routt, who is getting diced by whoever he is lining up against and expect the same results? Routt can’t cover himself up at night. He is like that great mule everyone wants to ride. They could have had their two corners locked up for at least 4-5 years with (Brandon) Flowers and Carr. Instead, Carr is down in Dallas having a good season. Brian Waters had a great year in New England last year. How many good years (in Atlanta) has Tony Gonzalez had now? Enough said.”

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Old 11-05-2012, 10:18 AM   #31
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I wish it had been possible to keep Carr and Gonzalez, and I really hope Bowe and Albert stay, but to be honest until they get a QB that can drop and accurately pass downfield this discussion is meaningless. I'm more upset that they didn't resign Orton than Carr.

Sitting here in Atlanta watching Matt Ryan everyweek it is easy to see that Cassel and Quinn are a waste of time. Who cares what CB leaves when your QB cannot execute plays over 10 yards. And it is good to see Gonzo getting to play with a real QB.

because if you dont have a good QB or arent in a position to get one, you can still spend the NEXT FOUR SEASONS STACKING YOUR ROSTER AT POSITIONAL TALENT until you bring in a good young QB or a veteran guy.

see: 49ers, Vikings, Texans, Broncos, Miami, etc
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #32
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Sorry if this question already asked. What has Pioli accomplished?

*crickets*
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #33
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because if you dont have a good QB or arent in a position to get one, you can still spend the NEXT FOUR SEASONS STACKING YOUR ROSTER AT POSITIONAL TALENT until you bring in a good young QB or a veteran guy.

see: 49ers, Vikings, Texans, Broncos, Miami, etc
If we were going to do that you could have replaced Broncos with Chiefs, but since we have Pissoli it aint happening. Going to have to suck and draft a QB high, that is if Pissoli will do that.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:20 AM   #34
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Sorry if this question already asked. What has Pioli accomplished?

*crickets*
BS!

He made Clark a shitload of money.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:21 AM   #35
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:24 AM   #36
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hes losing somebody decent in the offseason, and i hope this entire board finally hates him because of it.

because hes going to lose one of the clearly good players left on this team for nothing, and because it isnt one of his draft picks, he doesnt care.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:25 AM   #37
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hes losing somebody decent in the offseason, and i hope this entire board finally hates him because of it.

because hes going to lose one of the clearly good players left on this team for nothing, and because it isnt one of his draft picks, he doesnt care.
Wait a minute, who here doesn't hate him? I must have missed something.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:26 AM   #38
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because if you dont have a good QB or arent in a position to get one, you can still spend the NEXT FOUR SEASONS STACKING YOUR ROSTER AT POSITIONAL TALENT until you bring in a good young QB or a veteran guy.

see: 49ers, Vikings, Texans, Broncos, Miami, etc
They may not have been in position to draft a good QB, but they were definitely in position to upgrade the position with Orton. The overall talent level of this team is fine.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:26 AM   #39
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Pioli traded TG, that was one of his first moves after he traded for Matt Cassel and drafted Tyson Jackson
Thanks - sorry, thought of Allen for whatever reason...

Although TG wanted gone anyways...
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Wait a minute, who here doesn't hate him? I must have missed something.

there are still many that defend his drafting and FA selection with the Cassel defense. (aka but the jury is still out on Piolis skill players because they dont have a QB)

that is essentially defending Pioli that he actually drafts talent. But they will see the light soon
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:27 AM   #41
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They may not have been in position to draft a good QB, but they were definitely in position to upgrade the position with Orton. The overall talent level of this team is fine.
but the talent level is not fine. which is why we are 1-7, the worst in the league, getting blown out of games and is also the SUBJECT and theme of this very thread and the OP. Talent walking for nothing

if there was overall talent they would win some games. Like 5-11, 6-10, 7-9 type wins. Like teams with talent but bad coaching do. The 49ers, Dolphins, etc

we are Detroit Lions 0-16 bad or last years Colts or Rams bad. Where the roster not only will need a whole new staff and a young QB but a complete ****ing overhaul of talent like those teams did.
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Sorry if this question already asked. What has Pioli accomplished?

*crickets*

resigned a bunch of people from the Vermeil and Herm eras, and he's hit on a 3rd rd LB and a 7th rd kicker (that was a replacement for someone just as good that he either cut or let walk.)

Fired a real good YOUNG HC and replaced him with a fat blitering yes-man, alienated an entire fanbase, and has reduced the Kansas City Chiefs to the absolutely worst team in the league, a literal laughingstock of a franchise.

EDIT : Traded the greatest TE in NFL history durin his prime for a draft pick that he used on a decent special teamer with questionable cover skills. That has to be mentioned.
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BS!

He made Clark a shitload of money.
No he didn't.

The television contract made Clark a shit ton of money.

Pioli is actually costing Clark money. Seats, parking, concessions, merchandise, etc. The more the Chiefs suck, the less people are buying of all that stuff.
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but the talent level is not fine. which is why we are 1-7, the worst in the league, getting blown out of games and is also the SUBJECT and theme of this very thread and the OP. Talent walking for nothing

if there was overall talent they would win some games. Like 5-11, 6-10, 7-9 type wins. Like teams with talent but bad coaching do. The 49ers, Dolphins, etc

we are Detroit Lions 0-16 bad or last years Colts or Rams bad. Where the roster not only will need a whole new staff and a young QB but a complete ****ing overhaul of talent like those teams did.
it's true - there is NO depth and glaring holes.

QB, Defensive back, and D-line are places of weakness. The top-end talent (Bowe, Charles, Flowers, the Starting LBs) is negated by the lack of depth and lack of surrounding talent, bottom line. Couple that with the lack of direction by the coaching staff, and - presto! 1-7.

Hell, if NO hadn't been reeling from losing their coach, we'd never have beaten them. We certainly wouldn't be able to beat them at this point of the season.
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