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Old 11-05-2012, 09:39 AM  
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An NFL insider rips Pioli for letting quality players go

The following quotes are from NFL scouts, coaches and front-office personnel, speaking on the condition of anonymity:

• “When you are $20 million-$25 million under the cap, you can’t afford to let a homegrown guy like Brandon Carr get out of the building. Carl Peterson drafted him in the fifth round — (GM) Scott (Pioli) didn’t draft him. (Carr) is a bona fide starter and he is young and you let him get away on his first contract without getting anything in return? Go and pay him, especailly if he is so far under the cap. You are going to bring in Stanford Routt, who is getting diced by whoever he is lining up against and expect the same results? Routt can’t cover himself up at night. He is like that great mule everyone wants to ride. They could have had their two corners locked up for at least 4-5 years with (Brandon) Flowers and Carr. Instead, Carr is down in Dallas having a good season. Brian Waters had a great year in New England last year. How many good years (in Atlanta) has Tony Gonzalez had now? Enough said.”

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Old 11-05-2012, 09:53 AM   #16
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if he had kept guys like

Waters
Barth
Shaun Smith
Ron Edwards
Pollard
Wade Smith
Brandon Carr
Jason Babin
Ill even throw in turds like Wallace Gilberry

lets be honest all these veterans are better stop gaps and talent than Pioli going out and drafting and wasting picks on GUARDS, TACKLES, D-LINE, BAD CBs, every ****ing draft.

These guys fill holes and depth that was already here. he could have spent draft picks elsewhere and taken gambles on potential playmakers because of
what he had kept in house.

but he didnt, because he thinks he can find the next Richard Seymour or Mark Bavaro or Matt Light every ****ing draft pick
You forgot Tony Gonzalez.

It's a process.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:55 AM   #17
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if he had kept guys like

Waters
Barth
Shaun Smith
Ron Edwards
Pollard
Wade Smith
Brandon Carr
Jason Babin
Ill even throw in turds like Wallace Gilberry

lets be honest all these veterans are better stop gaps and talent than Pioli going out and drafting and wasting picks on GUARDS, TACKLES, D-LINE, BAD CBs, every ****ing draft.

These guys fill holes and depth that was already here. he could have spent draft picks elsewhere and taken gambles on potential playmakers because of what he had kept in house.

but he didnt, because he thinks he can find the next Richard Seymour or Mark Bavaro or Matt Light every ****ing draft pick
all this, and he could've kept Tony G (just because he requested a trade), kept Connor Barth (and used the pick he used on Succop somewhere else), traded to Dorsey to ATL when they were still willing to give at least a 2nd for him, brough in Hasselbeck when Haley wanted him...

**** mother****ing **** shit **** bitch

No wonder no one worth a **** will even entertain the idea of dealing with Pioli anymore. He's a JOKE.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:55 AM   #18
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You forgot Tony Gonzalez.

It's a process.
you are right. Had he kept Tony G we would have never had to see that awful scenario where he trades back up in the 3rd to draft Tony Moeaki with Jimmy Graham and all those other good players still on the board.

he could have saved himself some reputation from not looking like a stupid asshole taking a brokedick from his boy Ferentz because of the Cleveland Browns suck n **** tree of shitheads
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:56 AM   #19
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Pioli let good players walk, drafted mostly average-at-best guys to replace them, and won less games than Herman ****ing Edwards...
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:56 AM   #20
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you guys do realize this same scenario happens again this offseason but instead of Carr and Bowe it will be Albert and Bowe

so we are losing another one of our few good players that Carl + Herm drafted us for nothing, because Pioli is a stubborn doucher.
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Old 11-05-2012, 09:58 AM   #21
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you guys do realize this same scenario happens again this offseason but instead of Carr and Bowe it will be Albert and Bowe

so we are losing another one of our few good players that Carl + Herm drafted us for nothing, because Pioli is a stubborn doucher.

this is why he should be fired today.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:00 AM   #22
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I know paying corners that much is absurd, but the Chiefs should not have let Carr get away. He's a lock down corner in every sense of the word.

Honestly, Carr is better than Flowers.
Not anymore, especially in a pass happy qb league.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:00 AM   #23
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I screamed and screamed that we should have kept Carr AND brought in Routt, and got flamed for it. We certainly had the cap space. Matter of fact, the abscence of Carr may be why we haven't had the ability to blitz like we did in the second half of the season last year when our defense really stepped up.

And the Gonzalez thing is inexcusable, particularly when you turn him into Javier Arenas. Possibly one of the worst trades this team has ever made.
I was with you on Carr.
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It's all about the right 53, any good players should not remain as part of that.
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:02 AM   #25
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you guys do realize this same scenario happens again this offseason but instead of Carr and Bowe it will be Albert and Bowe

so we are losing another one of our few good players that Carl + Herm drafted us for nothing, because Pioli is a stubborn doucher.
Oh, absolutley. This is how I see it going down....


- They will let Bowe walk outright, getting nothing for him. They will ride heavily on his drops and "lack of production when the game is on the line" over the years as a reason to not invest superstar type money in him. He will go to a team with a high tier QB and dominate.

- They will offer Alberet a laughably bad contract. Lowball him, expecting him to take the "home town deal" approach. He'll decline, go to a better team offereing a mil or two more a season, and be a solid contibutor for them.

- They will be stagnant again in free agency, believing they have the players here that will buy into the message the staff is selling. Expect to be right at the floor limit in spending next season.

-They will franchise Colquitt.


All of that equals me saving thousands yet again next season, as I don't spend a dime at the stadium on Sundays.


(DISCLAIMER - All of that is subject to change if Pioli and his minions get the boot)
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:07 AM   #27
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Had we given the $$ to Bowe it would have been one thing, but we let Carr walk and now we are in a bind with Bowe. Yuck
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Old 11-05-2012, 10:11 AM   #28
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On one hand, I can see what Pioli was trying to do with getting rid of Gonzalez and Waters. They werent buying into what Pioli was selling and you dont build teams around aging Tight ends and Guards.

Ultimately, Pioli just sounds like an arrogant D-Bag who has a way of turning players off. Its Amazing about how much JWhit was right about Pioli 3 years ago.
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We need a document outlining these failed personnel moves and how they affected the team to the minutest detail (i.e., cutting Barth, drafting Succop and Barth has been the slightly more consitant kicker; tradin Tony for the pick used on Javier Arenas, who is a decent special teamer but a liability in coverage, etc.)

And then hand them out at the Cincy game.
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I wish it had been possible to keep Carr and Gonzalez, and I really hope Bowe and Albert stay, but to be honest until they get a QB that can drop and accurately pass downfield this discussion is meaningless. I'm more upset that they didn't resign Orton than Carr.

Sitting here in Atlanta watching Matt Ryan everyweek it is easy to see that Cassel and Quinn are a waste of time. Who cares what CB leaves when your QB cannot execute plays over 10 yards. And it is good to see Gonzo getting to play with a real QB.
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