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Exclusive: Security officials on the ground in Libya challenge CIA account

Despite a carefully narrated version of events rolled out late this week by the CIA claiming agents jumped into action as soon as they were notified of calls for help in Benghazi, security officials on the ground say calls for help went out considerably earlier -- and signs of an attack were mounting even before that.

The accounts, from foreign and American security officials in and around Benghazi at the time of the attack, indicate there was in fact a significant lag between when the threat started to show itself and help started to arrive.

According to the CIA, the first calls for assistance came at 9:40 p.m. local time from a senior State Department official at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, to the CIA annex about a mile away.

But according to multiple people on the ground that night, the Blue Mountain Security manager, who was in charge of the local force hired to guard the consulate perimeter, made calls on both two-way radios and cell phones to colleagues in Benghazi warning of problems at least an hour earlier. Those calls allegedly went to local security contractors who say that the CIA annex was also notified much earlier than 9:40 p.m. U.S. military intelligence also told Fox News that armed militia was gathering up to three hours before the attack began.

One source said the Blue Mountain Security chief seemed "distraught" and said "the situation here is very serious, we have a problem." He also said that even without these phone and radio calls, it was clear to everyone in the security community on the ground in Benghazi much earlier than 9:40 p.m. that fighters were gathering in preparation for an attack.

Many of these security contractors and intelligence sources on the ground in Benghazi met twice a week for informal meetings at the consulate with Blue Mountain and consulate staff, and at times other international officials. They were all very familiar with security at the consulate -- and said the staff seemed "complacent" and "didn't seem to follow the normal American way of securing a facility."

Both American and British sources say multiple roadblocks set up by fighters believed to be with Ansar al-Sharia were in place in Benghazi several hours before the 9:40 p.m. timeline and that communications also alluded to "heavily armed troops showing up with artillery." Fox News was told by both American and British contacts who were in Benghazi that night that the CIA timeline rolled out this past week is only "loosely based on the truth" and "doesn't quite add up."

Fox News was also told that the local guard force meant to protect the consulate perimeter "panicked" and didn't know what to do as the attackers took up positions. Sources say other guards simply "walked away".

One former Special Op now employed by a private company in Benghazi said that even the safe room wasn't properly set up. He said "the safe room is one of the first measures you take" and that he is "not sure how you can set a safe room without fire suppression and ventilation in case of fire." He also said, "Ambassador Stevens would likely be alive today if this simple and normal procedure was put into place."

As details emerge of serious security issues before the attack on Sept. 11, Fox News is also beginning to hear more frustration from sources both on the ground in Benghazi and in the U.S. Multiple British and American sources insist there were other capabilities in the region and are mystified why none were used. Fox News was told there were not only armed drones that monitor Libyan chemical weapon sites in the area, but also F-18's, AC-130 aircraft and even helicopters that could have been dispatched in a timely fashion.

British intelligence sources said that unarmed drones routinely flew over Benghazi every night in flight patterns and that armed drones which fly over chemical sites, some a short flight from Benghazi, "were always said to be on call." American sources confirmed this and questioned "why was a drone armed only with a camera dispatched?"

Another source added, "Why would they put a ragtag team together in Tripoli as first responders? This is not even what they do for a living. We had a first responder air base in Italy almost the same distance away." Despite the team arriving from Tripoli that night, sources said sufficient American back-up never came.

British sources on the ground in Benghazi said they are extremely frustrated by the attack and are still wondering why they weren't called for help. “We have more people on the ground here than the Americans and I just don't know why we didn't get the call?" one said.

Both American and British sources said, at the very least, the security situation on the ground and the lack of proper response were the result of "complete incompetence." The covert team that came in from Tripoli was held up at the Benghazi airport for more than three hours by Libyan officials. Sources said the team notified officials in Washington that they were being delayed within 30 minutes of their arrival.

They also point out that these questions "don't even address the military capabilities of our United Nations ally Turkey, who (has) forces available a similarly short flight away." Fox News has learned that Turkey had a number of embassy staff in town the night of the attack and that the Turkish consul general met with Ambassador Stevens in Benghazi the night he and the three other Americans were killed.

One source asked, "Were the Turks not warned? What forces were available from our ally Turkey? Especially since they had officials there in Benghazi also and had to be concerned … and where was the U.N. in all of this?"


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2BDP0oTTx

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Old 11-03-2012, 10:00 PM   #31
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You know, I love how Kotter and Cosmo just instantly jump to "RWNJ" and election BS.

If anything the two of you have proved Libs simply don't give a shit about Libya because they can't blame Bush.
Does giving a shit mean I'm supposed to make up stuff about what happened based on what Sean Hannity says?
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:01 PM   #32
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Just keep listening to Rush/Beck/Hannity and watching Drudge....I'm sure they'll break the case very, very soon.
I've heard of them, never listened to them except small bits and pieces on YouTube for a laugh. What you're failing to realize is that it's your bias that's showing. The situation contains certain elements which a rational human being can critique. In fact, rational people should critique it. It looks more and more like a mess as more info is released. Unless of course you blind yourself with partisanship, which is what you are doing.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:02 PM   #33
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Does giving a shit mean I'm supposed to make up stuff about what happened based on what Sean Hannity says?
Go back in the gay marriage thread and give stevieray some shit. I've already been around the block with him on that many times.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:05 PM   #34
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My Brother just returned recently from there serving under General Ham and he backs what listopencil and LVNHACK have been saying. You liberals are pretty pathetic.

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So, what you're saying is that like listopencil and hack, your brother has no idea what happened.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:07 PM   #35
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So, what you're saying is that like listopencil and hack, your brother has no idea what happened.
I hope that if someday you are mugged in front of a police station you will appreciate the help when it arrives.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:09 PM   #36
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So, what you're saying is that like listopencil and hack, your brother has no idea what happened.
Quit being such an agitator. What gave you away was your "middle of the road" and then constantly spouting Dem talking points and attacking anything that goes against your Dems, lol

I suggest you go back and read some of the summaries that people already tried to explain it to you, and there is plenty of links to back it up, but you are just here to obfuscate, aren't you? I called that out long ago, thank you.

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Old 11-03-2012, 10:24 PM   #37
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Does giving a shit mean I'm supposed to make up stuff about what happened based on what Sean Hannity says?
Where has anyone posted anything from Hannity?
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:29 PM   #38
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Where has anyone posted anything from Hannity?
Where? It's all over here. He's not being quoted, but the stuff I hear him say, I read over here as well. Someone is copying someone. That, or demented minds think alike.
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Old 11-03-2012, 10:47 PM   #39
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Where? It's all over here. He's not being quoted, but the stuff I hear him say, I read over here as well. Someone is copying someone. That, or demented minds think alike.
Oh, ok so stuff you hear him say. So everyone you listen too never repeats reported stories, is that it? It's all orginal thought?

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Old 11-03-2012, 10:51 PM   #40
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Oh, ok so stuff you hear him say. So everyone you listen too never repeats reported stories, is that it? It's all orginal thought?

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It's ok to repeat a reported story. Except that when the story is made-up BS, it tends to make the repeater look like an idiot.
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It's ok to repeat a reported story. Except that when the story is made-up BS, it tends to make the repeater look like an idiot.
Oh, so now it's all made up BS. Ok....
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cosmobama doesn't like the story so it has to be made up. That's just ****ig rich.
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Old 11-04-2012, 12:26 AM   #43
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Interesting stuff....More then anything, I have to wonder why DoS went with a small unknown security provider, when they already have a branch of authorized vetted US providers, many trained and waiting to deploy.


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...paign=Previous


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...aeus-benghazi/


The testimony of the Lt. Col stating that security was downgraded for political reasons is damning IMO. But wtf do know, I've only earned my living doing this shit for 5 years.
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Interesting stuff....More then anything, I have to wonder why DoS went with a small unknown security provider, when they already have a branch of authorized vetted US providers, many trained and waiting to deploy.


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...paign=Previous


http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012...aeus-benghazi/


The testimony of the Lt. Col stating that security was downgraded for political reasons is damning IMO. But wtf do know, I've only earned my living doing this shit for 5 years.
Isn't it true that the CIA was really running this place?
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Isn't it true that the CIA was really running this place?

I don't have enough info to have an informed opinion on that...To me, from what I've read, the biggest mistake made was not keeping or even upgrading the security that was in place and then farming the security to a small unknown Brit company....I work for a Brit company, and while some of front line guys (vets of either the wars, or contracting) the management is less then stellar....


Again...MY OPINION.....American Tax dollars should go to American companies and American providers. Where that money comes back to OUR economy not the UK, eastern europe or Africa.

The world loves America's money, they don't love us....
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