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CBSNews with possible Bombshell on Benghazi

CBS News has learned that during the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Mission in Benghazi, the Obama Administration did not convene its top interagency counterterrorism resource: the Counterterrorism Security Group, (CSG).


"The CSG is the one group that's supposed to know what resources every agency has. They know of multiple options and have the ability to coordinate counterterrorism assets across all the agencies," a high-ranking government official told CBS News. "They were not allowed to do their job. They were not called upon."


Information shared with CBS News from top counterterrorism sources in the government and military reveal keen frustration over the U.S. response on Sept. 11, the night ambassador Chris Stevens and 3 other Americans were killed in a coordinated attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya.


The circumstances of the attack, including the intelligence and security situation there, will be the subject of a Senate Intelligence Committee closed hearing on Nov. 15, with additional hearings to follow.


Counterterrorism sources and internal emails reviewed by CBS News express frustration that key responders were ready to deploy, but were not called upon to help in the attack.


CBS News has agreed not to quote directly from the emails, and to protect the identities of the sources who hold sensitive counterterrorism posts within the State Department, the US military and the Justice Department.


As to why the Counterterrorism Security Group was not convened, National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor told CBS News "From the moment the President was briefed on the Benghazi attack, the response effort was handled by the most senior national security officials in governments. Members of the CSG were of course involved in these meetings and discussions to support their bosses."


Absent coordination from Counterterrorism Security Group, a senior US counterterrorism official says the response to the crisis became more confused. The official says the FBI received a call during the attack representing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and requesting agents be deployed. But he and his colleagues agreed the agents "would not make any difference without security and other enablers to get them in the country and synch their efforts with military and diplomatic efforts to maximize their success."


Another senior counter terrorism official says a hostage rescue team was alternately asked to get ready and then stand down throughout the night, as officials seemed unable to make up their minds.

A third potential responder from a counter-terror force stationed in Europe says components of AFICOM -- the military's Africa Command based in Stuttgart, Germany -- were working on course of action during the assault. But no plan was put to use.


"Forces were positioned after the fact but not much good to those that needed it," the military source told CBS News.


"The response process was isolated at the most senior level," says an official referring to top officials in the executive branch. "My fellow counterterrorism professionals and I (were) not consulted."

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The official says a protocol set forth in a classified presidential directive calls for the Counterterrorism Security Group (CSG) to be convened in the event of a possible terrorist attack. According to a public military document, the directive was designed to "synchronize the efforts of all the government agencies that have a role to play in the Global War on Terrorism."




The Administration also didn't call on the only interagency, on-call, short notice team poised to respond to terrorist incidents worldwide: the Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST). FEST's seasoned experts leave within four hours of notification and can provide "the fastest assistance possible."


FEST Teams deployed immediately after al Qaeda bombings of US embassies in East Africa in 1998, and the USS Cole in 2000, but were not used for Benghazi, to the chagrin of some insiders. It's likely that the CSG task force, if contacted, would have recommended FEST aid.


"First a tactical response was needed," says a senior U.S. counterterrorism official, "and while that was being implemented, the holistic response could have been developed and deployed within hours" which could have allowed the FBI investigate safely on site well ahead of the "24 days it took."


When asked why the FEST wasn't utilized, a State Department official said it was used previously in East Africa because of damage sustained to a US embassy "to help restore communications and other infrastructure support. In this case, that was unnecessary at Embassy Tripoli."


A White House official told us that at the start of the attack, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Martin Dempsey and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta "looked at available options, and the ones we exercised had our military forces arrive in less than 24 hours, well ahead of timelines laid out in established policies." He also said a "small group of reinforcements" was sent from Tripoli to Benghazi, but declined to say how many or what time they arrived. The Pentagon moved a team of special operators from central Europe to Sigonella, Italy but gave no other details.

Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans died in a protracted battle over the course of eight hours. It's believed two of the victims, Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty, died in a mortar attack some six or seven hours after the US Mission was first overrun by a terrorist mob that burned buildings and used AK-47 rifles, bombs, and mortars.

In the days after the assault, counterterrorism officials expressed dismay over what they interpreted as the Obama Administration's unwillingness to acknowledge that the attack was terrorism; and their opinion that resources which could have helped were excluded.



Counterterrorism officials from two agencies said they concluded almost immediately that the attack was by terrorists and was not spontaneous. "I came to this conclusion as soon as I heard the mortar rounds were impacting on top of the building our people were occupying," says one. "The position of the mortar must be plotted on a map, the target would have to be plotted, computations would be calculated that would result in the proper mortar tube elevation and the correct number of powder bags to be attached to the rounds."



A White House official says President Obama immediately acknowledged the assault was a terrorist attack. However, there was confusion as White House spokesman Jay Carney said three days later, "We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack."

On Sept.16, US Ambassador Susan Rice told CBS' "Face the Nation" and other talk shows that the assault appeared to have grown from a spontaneous protest over an anti-Islam video.

CBS' Bob Schieffer asked Rice whether she thought "that this was something that had been plotted out several months ago?" Rice answered, "We do not have information at present that leads us to conclude that this was premeditated or preplanned."

In an interview last week, President Obama said "the minute" he became aware of the Benghazi attack, he directed his staff to "make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to do."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-...Num=1&tag=page
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:01 AM   #76
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I reiterate, why is that source infallible while the Fox/CBS sources aren't? You've not felt the need to rebut anything that's come out suggesting otherwise to this point, so why should anyone leap to your call?
How about everyone then while it is sorted out what happened instead of coming to the "logical" conclusion the president said "**** 'em" and "allowed" 4 people to be murdered?
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:03 AM   #77
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You ever try to get a landline call out of a third world country? Even using DSN?

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Ridiculous. Is that our military communicates with the president, even in the 80s--just pick up the landline and go through local operators?
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:09 AM   #78
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But, no....NO, Romney has this in the bag!!!

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes...te/#more-37035
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:10 AM   #79
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How about everyone then while it is sorted out what happened instead of coming to the "logical" conclusion the president said "**** 'em" and "allowed" 4 people to be murdered?
"Please dear God just make it to November 7th before this things gets away from us..."

The logical conclusion is that our President was incompetent. I don't think he said "**** 'em", I just think he has a disorganized administration and is a shit decisionmaker. I don't think there was active malfeasance on his part, just that he's the same garbage leader that he's always been.

There are some people that have sensationalized this, but then there are people on your side of the aisle that are going all Baghdad Bob with it. Neither side is better than the other. For every idiot that says that they should've called in the gunships, there's an idiot that says Obama (whatever he did) did the right thing.

Then there's the middle ground that this administration has openly acknowledged - this was a terrorist act and the WH was given information well in advance of same advising them that additional security was needed. That security was not given, nor were there advance teams in place to deal with rising hostility in the area. The administration then rushed out to call this thing a rogue uprising without themselves knowing what just happened.

That paragraph alone is damning and your side simply will not acknowledge it. Instead you just keep screaming that we need to wait (more than 6 weeks later) to start demanding answers.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:10 AM   #80
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But, no....NO, Romney has this in the bag!!!
Yes, yes. I know. You and KC Native don't care about the national security failure because it isn't going to impact the election. We're well aware of that.

But hey, who's politicizing?
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:11 AM   #81
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"Please dear God just make it to November 7th before this things gets away from us..."

The logical conclusion is that our President was incompetent. I don't think he said "**** 'em", I just think he has a disorganized administration and is a shit decisionmaker. I don't think there was active malfeasance on his part, just that he's the same garbage leader that he's always been.

There are some people that have sensationalized this, but then there are people on your side of the aisle that are going all Baghdad Bob with it. Neither side is better than the other. For every idiot that says that they should've called in the gunships, there's an idiot that says Obama (whatever he did) did the right thing.

Then there's the middle ground that this administration has openly acknowledged - this was a terrorist act and the WH was given information well in advance of same advising them that additional security was needed. That security was not given, nor were there advance teams in place to deal with rising hostility in the area. The administration then rushed out to call this thing a rogue uprising without themselves knowing what just happened.

That paragraph alone is damning and your side simply will not acknowledge it. Instead you just keep screaming that we need to wait (more than 6 weeks later) to start demanding answers.
While I don't exactly buy this entire post, it's about the most reasonable anybody's been on the subject.

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Old 11-02-2012, 11:13 AM   #82
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New Benghazi Account Bolsters CIA

ABC News – 14 hrs ago

Intelligence officials have disclosed a new detailed timeline of the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, acknowledging the CIA played a greater role in responding to the attack than has previously been disclosed. A senior U.S. intelligence official also insisted that the CIA security team that initially responded to the attack was not given orders "to stand down in providing support," as had been suggested in media reports.

http://news.yahoo.com/detailed-accou...-politics.html
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #83
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it was a mistake - freaking own up and move on -

The fact that they haven't is the rub...

Everyone has an agenda - I feel bad for the families of the heroes and future heroes if we cant own up and make changes and learn from our mistakes.

Saying this is not important is stupid...
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #84
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How about everyone then while it is sorted out what happened
AKA "let's just stop talking about it until at least Wednesday, November 7th".
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #85
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Ridiculous. Is that our military communicates with the president, even in the 80s--just pick up the landline and go through local operators?
No, that's the DSN part. You would still have to go through a series of operators. You don't just pick up the phone and tell Sarah to get you the President.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:19 AM   #86
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New Benghazi Account Bolsters CIA
ABC News – 14 hrs ago

Intelligence officials have disclosed a new detailed timeline of the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, acknowledging the CIA played a greater role in responding to the attack than has previously been disclosed. A senior U.S. intelligence official also insisted that the CIA security team that initially responded to the attack was not given orders "to stand down in providing support," as had been suggested in media reports.

http://news.yahoo.com/detailed-accou...-politics.html

It's not the CIA that was told to "stand down." This is old news.
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:23 AM   #87
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There is a much better article out there that gives a breakdown of the CIA report with a detailed timeline.
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Reagan didn't have the benefit of today's communications. Obama had real time information and could have acted to save American lives, but he refused to act.
Definitely not real time, but it was the 1980's not 1880's. Six months between attacks and it happens 3 times? Again, I'm not assigning intentional blame there, I just find it odd the double standard of assumption.
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●9:40 p.m.: A senior State Department security officer at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi called the CIA base, at an annex about a mile away, and requested assistance: “The compound is under attack. People are moving through the gates.” CIA officers at the base can hear the alarm, and a team immediately begins gathering weapons and preparing to leave.

●10:04 p.m.: A six-person rescue squad from the agency’s Global Response Staff (GRS) leaves in two vehicles. The team leader is a career CIA officer; the team includes a contractor named Tyrone Woods, who later died. During the previous 24-minute interval, the CIA base chief calls the February 17 Brigade, other militias and the Libyan intelligence service seeking vehicles with .50-caliber machine guns. Nobody responds. The team leader and the base chief agree at 10:04 that they can’t wait any longer, and the squad heads for the consulate.

The senior intelligence official said that he doesn’t know whether Woods or any of the other team members agitated to go sooner but added that he wouldn’t be surprised. “I want them to have a sense of urgency,” he said.

●10:10 p.m.: The rescue team reached a chaotic intersection a few blocks from the consulate. Militias gathered there have several .50-caliber machine guns, which the CIA team tries unsuccessfully to commandeer; three militiamen offer to help. The rescue party now includes 10 people: six GRS officers, a CIA translator and the three Libyan volunteers.

●10:20 p.m.: A reconnaissance party of two GRS officers heads to the consulate; at 10:25, three more GRS officers enter the main gate and begin engaging the attackers. The firefight lasts about 15 minutes.

●10:40 p.m.: Members of the CIA team enter the burning inferno of “Villa C,” where Ambassador Christopher Stevens is believed to be hiding. CIA officers try numerous times to reach the “safe room” but are driven back by the intense smoke and fire. Small-arms fire continues from the Libyan attackers.

●11:11 p.m.: An unarmed military Predator drone arrives over the compound to provide aerial reconnaissance. The drone had been diverted from a mission over Darnah, about 90 minutes away. But without weapons, it can’t help much.

●11:15 p.m.: The CIA team puts a group of State Department officers into a vehicle and sends it to the agency base; at 11:30, the CIA officers depart under fire and reach the annex six minutes later.

●11:56 p.m.: CIA officers at the annex are attacked by a rocket-propelled grenade and small arms. Sporadic attacks continue for about another hour. The attacks stop at 1:01 a.m., and some assume the fight is over.

●1:15 a.m.: CIA reinforcements arrive on a 45-minute flight from Tripoli in a plane they’ve hastily chartered. The Tripoli team includes four GRS security officers, a CIA case officer and two U.S. military personnel on loan to the agency. They don’t leave the Benghazi airport until 4:30 a.m. The delay is caused by negotiations with Libyan authorities over permission to leave the airport; obtaining vehicles; and the need to frame a clear mission plan. The first idea is to go to a Benghazi hospital to recover Stevens, who they rightly suspect is already dead. (Also killed was a State Department communication specialist.) But the hospital is surrounded by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar al-Sharia militia that mounted the consulate attack.

●5:04 a.m.: The team from Tripoli arrives at the CIA base. Glen Doherty, one of the GRS men from Tripoli, goes to the roof and joins Woods in firing positions.

●5:15 a.m.: A new Libyan assault begins, this time with mortars. Two rounds miss and the next three hit the roof. The rooftop defenders never “laser the mortars,” as has been reported. They don’t know the weapons are in place until the indirect fire begins, nor are the mortars observed by the drone overhead. The defenders have focused their laser sights earlier on several Libyan attackers, as warnings not to fire. At 5:26 the attack is over. Woods and Doherty are dead and two others are wounded.

●6 a.m.: Libyan forces from the military intelligence service finally arrive, now with 50 vehicles. They escort the Americans to the airport. A first group of 18, including two wounded, depart at 7 a.m. A second group of 12, plus the four dead, leave at 10 a.m. for Tripoli and then the long flight back to America.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...3_story_1.html


This isn't the article I was talking about but it does contain the timeline that was created from the CIA report.
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Looks to me like a group of people that really, really could have used some help.
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