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Old 10-31-2012, 05:05 PM  
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So, when Romney wins, how long do we wait before blaming him for the economy?

Since so many here already have their minds made up about not only who they are going to vote for, but are certain beyond any doubt who will win, it is time to move on.

Romney is an economic "genius" whose entire campaign is based on the idea that Obama didn't get the economic recovery going fast enough.

So how long should we wait until Romney deserves the same blame for not getting the economy going?

I did some searching to see how long various CP members gave Obama prior to blame:




6 months - petegz29
Biden doing damage control on economic situation

58 Days - HonestCheiffan- Obama It's not my fault, Blame Bush

51 days - patteeu (Velvet Jones and BucEyedPea agreeing)- Obama lied the economy died

39 days - memyselfI (and HCF and others agreeing) - 6000 here we come Yikes Doombama is tanking Wall Street

(-69) days - Bootlegged Obama elected market down 520 points

and (-101) days Bootlegged
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So, what are the guidelines on how quickly to credit/blame Romney?
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Old 11-01-2012, 01:21 AM   #46
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:00 AM   #47
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For four years, all we heard from Oblamo is "I inherited this mess from George Bush".

Exactly what had the fresh prince of bill ayers inherited when the democrats/communists took over the congress in January 2007? How about a nominal Gross Domestic Product that would grow by more than 5% that quarter, a Dow Jones index of 12,621 on its way to a high of 14,198, an unemployment rate of 4.6%, and a record 52 straight months of jobs growth? The national debt then was less than $8.7 trillion.

Four years after Pelousi and Reid took control of the purse strings, the GDP quickly begin its freefall before bottoming out at a minus-8.4% two years later. By March of 2009, the Dow had cratered to 6,626. Unemployment spiked to more than 9%. And with one wasteful stimulus package after another greasing the palms of the all right people, the national debt has doubled to more than $16 trillion.

That's the pile of shit Romney is "inheriting".

**** you, Obastard. **** you and your O-bot stooges.
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Old 11-01-2012, 05:36 AM   #48
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Romney is an economic "genius" whose entire campaign is based on the idea that Obama didn't get the economic recovery going fast enough.
Didn't get the recovery going fast enough?

The majority of his policies actually limit or completely hinder recovery, whether by design or ineptitude.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:21 AM   #49
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Do you really think he would need that much time? How many business owners/managers do you know? I know quite a few, and most of them wear their politics on their wallet. Obama scares business people. That's a fact. Anyone who deals with business people at all knows this. For whatever reason they don't feel comfortable making investment with Obama standing over their shoulders.

I'm not voting for Romney - I think he's a creep. But I know how the business people that I work with/for feel about investing in this environment. And I know from my perspective, if I wasn't voting with other principles in mind, and was only voting with my pocketbook in mind, voting Romney would be a no-brainer. I'll make a killing next year if Romney wins - a killing. I'll do Ok under Obama, but I know for a fact that I'd make at least 30-40% more if Romney wins.
If you're talking about small businesses, then I think they try to weather the storm whoever is in charge. I think some larger, fortune-500 type companies might be looking forward to taking in a lot of their tax avoidance scheme money back into the country tax free and then going right back to reinvesting it overseas. I don't know many fortune 500 owners, so I certainly could be mistaken and maybe they are truly waiting on Romney to suddenly decide to sell products people want and to magically ship all our jobs back overseas. I guess we'll see what happens.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:25 AM   #50
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Didn't get the recovery going fast enough?

The majority of his policies actually limit or completely hinder recovery, whether by design or ineptitude.
I don't believe he actually put forward that many policies, but I will agree that the ones he put forward were ineffective half-measures. He is a poor leader, but I don't think there's a bean's worth of difference with Romney, other than the people near the top will get even more favors done for them and the people in the middle will continue to have their jobs shipped overseas, or their wages slashed, or their benefits cut.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:43 AM   #51
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I don't believe he actually put forward that many policies, but I will agree that the ones he put forward were ineffective half-measures. He is a poor leader, but I don't think there's a bean's worth of difference with Romney, other than the people near the top will get even more favors done for them and the people in the middle will continue to have their jobs shipped overseas, or their wages slashed, or their benefits cut.
Pretty much how I see it.

Romney is getting love just because he's the only other option for a new president.

Both Obama and Romney smell like shit.
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Old 11-01-2012, 06:52 AM   #52
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For four years, all we heard from Oblamo is "I inherited this mess from George Bush".

Exactly what had the fresh prince of bill ayers inherited when the democrats/communists took over the congress in January 2007? How about a nominal Gross Domestic Product that would grow by more than 5% that quarter, a Dow Jones index of 12,621 on its way to a high of 14,198, an unemployment rate of 4.6%, and a record 52 straight months of jobs growth? The national debt then was less than $8.7 trillion.

Four years after Pelousi and Reid took control of the purse strings, the GDP quickly begin its freefall before bottoming out at a minus-8.4% two years later. By March of 2009, the Dow had cratered to 6,626. Unemployment spiked to more than 9%. And with one wasteful stimulus package after another greasing the palms of the all right people, the national debt has doubled to more than $16 trillion.

That's the pile of shit Romney is "inheriting".

**** you, Obastard. **** you and your O-bot stooges.
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:01 AM   #53
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If you're talking about small businesses, then I think they try to weather the storm whoever is in charge. I think some larger, fortune-500 type companies might be looking forward to taking in a lot of their tax avoidance scheme money back into the country tax free and then going right back to reinvesting it overseas. I don't know many fortune 500 owners, so I certainly could be mistaken and maybe they are truly waiting on Romney to suddenly decide to sell products people want and to magically ship all our jobs back overseas. I guess we'll see what happens.
When you say "tax avoidance scheme", I assume you realize that you're talking about a tax practice that follows a standard tax principle used by most modern tax jurisdictions and that there's nothing sinister about it?

However, when you say the money would be brought back into the country "tax free" it makes me wonder since that money has already been taxed by the country in which it was earned.

And why would they want to bring that money back to the states before reinvesting it overseas when they can already reinvest it overseas without bringing it home first?
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Old 11-01-2012, 07:04 AM   #54
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I'd say you can blame him whenever you want. That won't prevent him from facilitating substantial improvement by the time his re-election comes around.

BTW, the quote you're attributing to me was really from the late Tony Blankley. And there's nothing in that thread about me blaming Obama for the economy. It's an "I told you so" thread pointing out that Obama was spending money at an unprecedented rate contrary to his previous commitments to cut spending and shrink the deficit and in fulfillment of my pre-election predictions.

Barring some kind of unforeseen collapse somewhere (Greece/Europe, etc.), I think there will definitely be substantial improvement by 2016. Whether Romney (or Obama, whomever) facilitates it or is just the lucky beneficiary of it will no doubt dominate this board and many others over the next four years.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:21 AM   #55
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I don't believe he actually put forward that many policies, but I will agree that the ones he put forward were ineffective half-measures. He is a poor leader, but I don't think there's a bean's worth of difference with Romney, other than the people near the top will get even more favors done for them and the people in the middle will continue to have their jobs shipped overseas, or their wages slashed, or their benefits cut.
At least Romney isn't CREATING new people "near the top" using OUR tax money, as he did for those "green" power companies, all of which are now bankrupt.

And I don't want to hear about benefits - the only benefit I've lost is my health plan because Obama decided it was a "cadillac" and I'm not entitled to it even though I PAY FOR IT.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:22 AM   #56
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Pretty much how I see it.

Romney is getting love just because he's the only other option for a new president.

Both Obama and Romney smell like shit.
With Romney, I only have to smell it.

Obama thinks he can force me to eat it.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:26 AM   #57
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I'll expect to see defined improvement in the economy, national debt payment plan, jobs by the end of 2013.

Based on my personal conversations, I know 2 businesses that will begin expansion plans immediately if Romney is elected. Not because he is awesome, but because he isn't Obama and businesses anticipate business friendly policy. I KNOW I'll have a good year next year if Romney wins, even if some of the green job crap plays a part of what I do now.
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:43 AM   #58
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:47 AM   #59
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Considering Bush hadn’t even been inaugurated when Dems and their MSM lackeys were calling the recession Clinton was handing over the “Bush recession” I assume they’ll be calling the current economic malaise the “Romney recession” the day the vote count is finalized.
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