NFL Draft Go On Record: Cam Newton, Geno Smith, or Matt Barkley? - Page 4

Bo's Pelini · 10-24-2012, 03:53 PM

If Carolina decides to go a different route with the new GM and decides to trade Cam Newton would you give up the first round pick for him?

Or

Would you rather go with Geno Smith who's upside could be Aaron Rodgers or Matt Barkley who is polished ready to start day 1 with Matt Ryan potential?

Discuss.

BossChief · 10-24-2012, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

It is retarded that Newton is in this discussion.

NO WAY is Carolina going to part with him after 2 seasons.

If a team came to them with a top 5 pick, they would have to at least listen.

New GM and all.

Dave · 10-24-2012, 04:35 PM

Where is Mecca to pimp his USC golden boy?

Bo's Pelini · 10-24-2012, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I've already said that I'm concerned about Wilson, both the leadership that he hasn't shown and the fact that he hasn't proven his success was more Bobby Petrino's system rather than his talent.

I do think guys mature however. There's time to correct Wilson's flaws.

Not really so with Barkley. As milkman said, it appears he might be close to his ceiling.

People said that Luck was close to his ceiling too. I don't give a shit if the guys a good QB this team will win. Period.

BossChief · 10-24-2012, 04:36 PM

The thing I like about Wilson, Smith and Barkley...they could all start immediately and make a positive impact.

htismaqe · 10-24-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

People said that Luck was close to his ceiling too. I don't give a shit if the guys a good QB this team will win. Period.

Luck's ceiling isn't even in eye-shot of Barkley's ceiling.

Luck's FLOOR is higher than Barkley's ceiling.

EDIT: And so it doesn't look like I'm strictly bagging on Barkley, Luck's FLOOR is probably higher than Smith's ceiling too. Or Cam Newton's. Luck is a once-in-a-generation guy.

htismaqe · 10-24-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The thing I like about Wilson, Smith and Barkley...they could all start immediately and make a positive impact.

I think Ryan Tannehill (who I was NOT a fan of) is living proof that just about ANY QB could start immediately and make a positive impact.

Dave · 10-24-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

If a team came to them with a top 5 pick, they would have to at least listen.

New GM and all.

Doubtful.

Wouldn't the Panthers have a large cap hit trading Newton?

O.city · 10-24-2012, 04:39 PM

Newton was in the new agreement so not a big cap hit

Bo's Pelini · 10-24-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Luck's ceiling isn't even in eye-shot of Barkley's ceiling.

Luck's FLOOR is higher than Barkley's ceiling.

Barkley is a very smart accurate QB. Ceiling reached or not you win games with those kind of guys.

htismaqe · 10-24-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Barkley is a very smart accurate QB. Ceiling reached or not you win games with those kind of guys.

We really don't know that he's super smart. He very rarely has to go through his progressions because the 1st guy is usually open.

He is pretty accurate but there's a few throws he can't make in the NFL because the ball won't get there fast enough.

You can certainly win games with guys like that. But you're not gonna win Super Bowls with guys like that unless you've got the 2000 Ravens defense or something similar.

O.city · 10-24-2012, 04:45 PM

I know he hasn't had a great year and is said to be a douche, but I'm coming arou d on bray. From a physical standpoint he's probably the most prototypical guy in this class

Iconic · 10-24-2012, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The thing I like about Wilson, Smith and Barkley...they could all start immediately and make a positive impact.

Dog shit could start in place of what we have now and immediately make a positive impact

htismaqe · 10-24-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I know he hasn't had a great year and is said to be a douche, but I'm coming arou d on bray. From a physical standpoint he's probably the most prototypical guy in this class

I'm honestly ready for "all of the above".

Sure, I would prefer Smith.

But there are definitely things to like about Wilson, Barkley, Bray, Logan Thomas, and others.

Just take a guy EARLY and play him EARLY.

BossChief · 10-24-2012, 04:58 PM

I haven't watched more than a couple quarters of Logan Thomas and I consistently see him mocked as a first round pick.

Why haven't there been more discussions about him on here?

All I know about him is what Ive read on Walters and other scouting sites and he seems like a promising high ceiling guy that should probably be talked about more.

Somebody should probably take up the cause for the kid on here because his upside seems higher than Barkley and maybe even Wilson.

Mr. Arrowhead · 10-24-2012, 05:05 PM

I would easily go with Cam, if he had the talent we have on offense, we would be at least 4-2.

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BossChief Here we go again. Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $5327806	I haven't watched more than a couple quarters of Logan Thomas and I consistently see him mocked as a first round pick. Why haven't there been more discussions about him on here? All I know about him is what Ive read on Walters and other scouting sites and he seems like a promising high ceiling guy that should probably be talked about more. Somebody should probably take up the cause for the kid on here because his upside seems higher than Barkley and maybe even Wilson. __________________
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