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Old 10-22-2012, 06:32 AM  
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Manual or Automatic transmission..which do you prefer?

Can an Automatic be as much fun as a manual?



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Car enthusiasts have been bemoaning the lack of manual transmissions in cars for what seems like an eternity. Every time a new car comes out and it doesn't offer a manual gearbox, it gets shunned by every card carrying member of the enthusiast community.

But guess what? The manual transmission is outdated technology and there are better things out there. It's time to get over it and say bye bye.
Before I get yelled at by all of you, I want to say that we're not too different. I love a good manual gearbox. If a car has one, I'm instantly more interested in it. And let me tell you, nailing a perfectly rev matched downshift instantly makes me smile. I'm absolutely for putting manual transmissions in everything. When I have a little Travis or Travisette running around I'm going to find a way to stick one in his or her Cozy Coupe.

But I am totally against the notion that having a manual is the only way to properly enjoy a car. That is bullshit. Complete bullshit.

'Manual elitists,' as I call them, will shirk the notion that a car without a third pedal can be engaging to drive. They say that it isn't pure, it isn't as much fun, they don't feel connected.

Bull. Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower.

But you say you don't feel engaged? The point of driving a car quickly, either on a race track or a road, is to make it from the start to finish as fast as humanly possible. If you drive a GT-R on track and don't feel engaged, well, then you just aren't going fast enough.

For a long, long time, a manual gearbox was the best way to do just that, to be the fastest.

It just isn't the case anymore. Times have changed, and we enthusiasts need to adapt to it as well. Everyone dislikes someone who repeatedly refers to the past and says "in my day, we did it this way."

That's what we in the enthusiast community are becoming. Nostalgia is our enemy, technology is our friend.

Funny thing is, a bunch of manual elitists probably own an iPod, subscribe to Netflix, and own a smart phone. The rest of their lives evolved, yet they just can't let the manual tranny go.

I see the manual gearbox like a film camera. When digital first hit the scene, it was terrible. People stuck with film. However, over time, digital got better and better and more and more people started switching. It got to a point where the pros and the stubborn were the only ones with film.

And guess what? Now even the pros use digital. And much like how they could manipulate film better than the average person, their digital pictures are that much better.

It's the same case here. Give a Porsche 991 with a PDK gearbox to two drivers, one great, one not so great. The double clutch transmission will not suddenly make the bad driver a God. He'll still be a mortal. The good driver will be able to manipulate the gearbox better and get the most out of it. He'll still be faster.

And that's where I think a lot of manual defense comes from: fear and snobbery. People think they're members of an elite club just because they know how a clutch works and can heel and toe. Guess what? You're alienating possible enthusiasts by being that way.

As enthusiasts, we should want to welcome everyone, not be scared of others suddenly being better at driving than us. First off, they won't be. Secondly, more competition for the fastest time is better. It's more fun. And having people interested in driving faster makes more enthusiasts. Giving them access to the tools to be quick breeds enthusiasm.

With people caring less and less about cars, we need to make more enthusiasts. We aren't helping by lambasting anyone that can't drive a manual gearbox.

By making exciting cars more accessible to people that may not be as skilled creates passion. Passion builds bonds. Bonds create friends. That's what we need in the enthusiast community.

What we don't need is snobbery and fear of the new.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:09 PM   #106
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Manuals are fun until you have to drive in heavy traffic.
Especially on hills. Manuals are a nightmare in ski traffic around here.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:23 PM   #107
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Especially on hills. Manuals are a nightmare in ski traffic around here.
Unless your car has Hill Holder like mine.

Actually, even without it, using the e-brake makes hills a non-factor.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:34 PM   #108
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Especially on hills. Manuals are a nightmare in ski traffic around here.
Yep.

I was good about holding the clutch/gas steady on hills. It's not good for the clutch, though.
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Old 10-22-2012, 05:53 PM   #109
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Manual. But most of South Dakota is flat.
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:17 PM   #110
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Manual. But most of South Dakota is flat.
It's not the flat that makes South Dakota good for a manual - it's the mostly empty.
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Old 10-22-2012, 06:46 PM   #111
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Real men drive a stick, besides a manual transmission is more efficient.
Even with today’s multispeed automatics there is still less parasitic horsepower loss in a manual than an automatic transmission.
True dat. My daughter and I have same engines in our BMW's. My stick gets 30 mph. Hers 21.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:24 PM   #112
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I remember when they came out with 4-speed automatics(AOD)in the 80s.

My car has a 6-speed automatic. Not sure why. Fuel economy, most likely.

Very little shift shock. Plus, at 80mph the engine is only running at 2500 RPMs.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:32 PM   #113
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6 speed manual in my Subaru. Only time I don't like it is in heavy traffic. Even then it doesn't bother me so much... I just feel like I am wearing the hell out of the clutch.
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:50 PM   #114
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If I bought a car that was just for fun, it would be a manual. Unfortunately, due to my line of work I require vehicles that are utilitarian in nature and driven primarily in heavy city traffic, so they're automatics.
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Old 10-23-2012, 12:11 AM   #115
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Used to have a 2005 GTO, manual.

Sold it because I have a little boy now.

I miss having the torque to downshift into 3rd and pass almost anybody at will.

Some day, I will buy a Challenger and it will of course be a stick shift.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:35 AM   #116
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Disagree, my CTS-V is a PSA but its no where near as fun as the 6pd. Quite a bit quicker but less enjoyable.
Stock or modded? Every place I can find a 1/4 mile for a CTS-V shows the manual to be quicker. Been researching them a lot, as I'm in the market for one.

Most every manual iteration of any car I look at is faster than its automatic counterpart.
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Old 10-23-2012, 02:43 AM   #117
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:04 AM   #118
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Yep.

I was good about holding the clutch/gas steady on hills. It's not good for the clutch, though.
Yea, riding the clutch like that is a good way to burn one up in a hurry.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:12 AM   #119
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Stock or modded? Every place I can find a 1/4 mile for a CTS-V shows the manual to be quicker. Been researching them a lot, as I'm in the market for one.

Most every manual iteration of any car I look at is faster than its automatic counterpart.
Heh its not stock. The auto is FAR quicker than the manual. Here is a quick list. Its a little dated but you get the point.

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Old 10-23-2012, 08:16 AM   #120
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Stock or modded? Every place I can find a 1/4 mile for a CTS-V shows the manual to be quicker. Been researching them a lot, as I'm in the market for one.

Most every manual iteration of any car I look at is faster than its automatic counterpart.

Not so much anymore. Take a peek at the new Mustang 5.0 the auto is consistently 3-4 tenths quicker. The new autos are wicked efficient.
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