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Old 10-14-2012, 10:20 PM  
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Who were the clowns that claimed RGIII isn't that good?

Seriously, I know there were a handful or so geniuses on here that didn't care for Robert's game.

I might trade our entire draft for the guy.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #211
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yeah maybe we can get another Jeff Allen, Dexter McCluster, Javier Arenas or Turk McBride?

someday you guys will realize a 2nd round pick is flipping a quarter 3 times and hoping to guess right twice (for a good player) or 3 times (for a real good player)
Or we could just trade our 2nd rounder for Kirk Cousins and not get a good player 100% of the time.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:48 PM   #212
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I'm a Cousins fan as well. The guy has a ton of leadership qualities, carries himself well, knows how to win. I was hoping Denver would draft him instead of Osweiler.
See also, Ricky Stanzi.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:53 PM   #213
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Running is what he does, regardless of how bad you want to think otherwise.
I'm not even sure what this means. Could you explain this? It might be helpful to include some discussion of quarterback rating.
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Old 12-10-2012, 01:58 PM   #214
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I'm not even sure what this means. Could you explain this? It might be helpful to include some discussion of quarterback rating.
It was a response to other posts. My meaning was that Shanny runs RGIII out of the Pistol formation sometimes in Washington, and that part of RGIII's game is running when the play breaks down and, as such, he's going to take big hits.
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Wasn't RGIII hurt already once this year. He will be sitting on the sideline a lot I suspect. He is more of a Michael Vick then an Elway I suspect.
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I suspect he will adjust his play. I suspect with a better group of WRs he won't have to run as much. I suspect he will be awesome.
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Running is what he does, regardless of how bad you want to think otherwise.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:00 PM   #215
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See also, Ricky Stanzi.
Ouch.
I think Cousins put that awful comparison to rest this weekend though don't you?
Cousins is clearly better than any QB on the KC or AZ roster. Not that that should be your standard.
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Ouch.
I think Cousins put that awful comparison to rest this weekend though don't you?
Cousins is clearly better than any QB on the KC or AZ roster. Not that that should be your standard.
If Stanzi were in Washington, in Shanahan's system, he would EASILY match what Cousins did.

Put Cousins in KC, with Romeo and the 3-ring Chiefs, and he'd be doing exactly what Stanzi is doing.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:05 PM   #217
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If Stanzi were in Washington, in Shanahan's system, he would EASILY match what Cousins did.

Put Cousins in KC, with Romeo and the 3-ring Chiefs, and he'd be doing exactly what Stanzi is doing.
Interesting theory. Who knows. I'm sure Stanzi would be up for that.
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Old 12-10-2012, 02:23 PM   #218
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Interesting theory. Who knows. I'm sure Stanzi would be up for that.
It's really all we have to go on, unless one wants to compare a handful of quarters of preseason football.

The reality is that the largest statistical sample - their college careers - suggests STRONGLY that they're the same heady yet physically-limited game manager that won a lot of games with strong defenses and running games.
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It's really all we have to go on, unless one wants to compare a handful of quarters of preseason football.

The reality is that the largest statistical sample - their college careers - suggests STRONGLY that they're the same heady yet physically-limited game manager that won a lot of games with strong defenses and running games.
Good points all.
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Old 12-10-2012, 04:42 PM   #220
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It was a response to other posts. My meaning was that Shanny runs RGIII out of the Pistol formation sometimes in Washington, and that part of RGIII's game is running when the play breaks down and, as such, he's going to take big hits.
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Ninety percent of RGIII's runs are designed option reads. On average he scrambles out of the pocket as much as an aaron rogers for extra yardage, which isn't as much as people like to spout. People that keep comparing Griffin to vick are just ****ing ill informed nitwits.
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Ninety percent of RGIII's runs are designed option reads. On average he scrambles out of the pocket as much as an aaron rogers for extra yardage, which isn't as much as people like to spout. People that keep comparing Griffin to vick are just ****ing ill informed nitwits.

He runs when other QBs slide and he pays for it. He runs when other QBs don't. He pays for it. What is so hard to understand?

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Old 12-10-2012, 04:46 PM   #222
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You've watched something like one half of a redskin game this year, haven't you?
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Or we could just trade our 2nd rounder for Kirk Cousins and not get a good player 100% of the time.
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You've watched something like one half of a redskin game this year, haven't you?
I've watched RGIII get knocked the **** out of a game twice this year while running. Want to tell me he hasn't? What is so hard to understand about QBs that tend to run as part of their game being at higher risk of injury? The hit he took yesterday was this close to being a career ender.
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I've watched RGIII get knocked the **** out of a game twice this year while running. Want to tell me he hasn't? What is so hard to understand about QBs that tend to run as part of their game being at higher risk of injury?
So you must live in the general DC Metropolitan area if you watched both those games?

I have to watch the redskins and the vast majority of his running is designed within their game plan. He's not willy-nilly running wild every play like donkey dicks in denver seem to be led to believe. He also turns the ball over 500* less than andrew luck.
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