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What Citizens United Has Brought

Who could have seen this trend coming.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us...tors.html?_r=1

Obama Grows More Reliant on Big-Money Contributors
By NICHOLAS CONFESSORE
Published: September 12, 2012

Kirk Wagar, a Florida lawyer who has raised more than $1 million for President Obama’s re-election bid, had his choice of rooms for the Democratic convention at Charlotte’s Ritz-Carlton or Westin hotels and nightly access to hospitality suites off the convention floor.

Jay Snyder, a New York financier who has raised at least $560,000 for Mr. Obama, was entitled to get his picture taken on the podium at the Time Warner Cable Arena.

And Azita Raji, a retired investment banker who has raised over $3 million for Mr. Obama — more than almost anyone else during the last two years — could get pretty much anything that she wanted last week in Charlotte: briefings with senior Obama officials, invitations to post-speech parties, along with “priority booking” at the city’s finest hotels.

In the race for cash, Mr. Obama often praises his millions of grass-roots donors, those die-hards whose $3 or $10 or $75 contributions are as much a symbol of the president’s political identity as they are a source of ready cash. But his campaign’s big-dollar fund-raising has become more dependent than it was four years ago on a smaller number of large-dollar donors and fund-raisers.

All told, Mr. Obama’s top “bundlers” — people who gather checks from friends and business associates — raised or gave at least $200 million for Mr. Obama’s re-election bid and the Democratic National Committee through the end of May, close to half of the total up to that point, according to internal campaign documents obtained by The New York Times.

The documents provide a detailed look into the intricate world of presidential fund-raising, which Mr. Obama and his team have mastered, and donor-stroking, which some supporters complain they have not. The campaign closely monitors its top bundlers, rating them by how much each individual or couple has raised and donated each year going back to 2007.

Officials used that amount, in turn, to offer donor packages of access and entertainment for the convention last week, themed to the location in North Carolina: “OBX” (bumper-sticker shorthand for the Outer Banks) for those raising at least $1 million, down to “Carolina on My Mind” for those who have donated merely $75,800 to Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee, the maximum allowed under federal law.

“It confirms everything we’ve always believed about the role of big money in politics,” said Ellen Miller, executive director of the Sunlight Foundation, a watchdog group that tracks political fund-raising. “The more you give, the more you gather, the more you get.”

Each individual or couple is also assigned a lifetime Obama total. Topping the list is Jeffrey Katzenberg, the Hollywood producer, who, along with his fund-raising partner, Andy Spahn, has brought in at least $6.6 million combined for the 2008 and 2012 campaigns, according to the documents.

The top fund-raiser for 2011 and 2012 is Andrew Tobias, a Miami-based author who is treasurer of the Democratic National Committee and a major bundler for Mr. Obama among gay donors. Terry McAuliffe, a former party chairman and Bill Clinton loyalist, shot into Mr. Obama’s top bundler ranks this year after he and Mr. Clinton agreed to hold a Virginia fund-raiser for Mr. Obama. He has raised about $2.2 million for Mr. Obama, according to the documents, more than all but a few supporters.

Because not all of Mr. Obama’s bundlers are represented through the end of May, the documents may understate the total that top supporters have raised for Mr. Obama. But even so, they reveal how dependent even Mr. Obama — whose grass-roots fund-raising machine is unrivaled in political history — is on a relative handful of wealthy individuals raising millions of dollars on his behalf, often while having significant business or legal interests before the Obama administration.

Among the top 10 fund-raisers on the list for 2012, for example, are Steve Spinner, a former Department of Energy official who pushed the White House to approve a $535 million loan guarantee for Solyndra, the failed solar power company.

DreamWorks Animation, the studio Mr. Katzenberg leads, is among several in Hollywood that earlier this year were notified of an investigation into whether entertainment companies had made illegal payments to officials in China in connection with their dealings there.

Mitt Romney has fielded an equally formidable high-dollar fund-raising machine this year and could raise as much or more than Mr. Obama during the election cycle. Like the Democrats, Republicans offered big donors an array of perks at their convention, held in Tampa, Fla., last month, including choice hotel access, boat trips and access to Mr. Romney himself.

Mr. Obama already makes public the names of his bundlers, along with ranges for how much they have raised, a practice not required by law. Mr. Romney has declined to release such information, though monthly disclosures filed by his campaign suggest that he is even more dependent than Mr. Obama on big bundlers and donors who have given the legal maximum.

“Our major volunteer fund-raisers, as well as the ranges of contributions they raised, were previously made public because unlike Governor Romney, we disclose them on our Web site,” said Ben LaBolt, a spokesman for Mr. Obama.

Mr. Obama’s publicly disclosed categories stop at the $500,000-and-up level, however. The internal documents show that at least 60 individuals and couples reside in an even more elite club, having raised more than $1 million for Mr. Obama and the party.

They include Frank White Jr., a technology entrepreneur who has raised $2.3 million for Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign; Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue, who has raised $2.7 million; Robert Wolf, a former executive at UBS Americas, the banking company, who has raised about $1.3 million; and Reshma Saujani, a lawyer who is running for New York City public advocate next year and is active among young larger donors, who has raised about $1 million.

About 260 of the bundlers did not raise any money for Mr. Obama during his 2008 campaign, according to the document. That reflects the extraordinary effort Mr. Obama made to recruit new fund-raisers for his re-election effort, as former supporters lost enthusiasm or moved on to other pursuits.

But it also reflects the number of former fund-raisers whom Mr. Obama appointed to ambassadorial and other posts, leaving them barred from political activities.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:34 AM   #61
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I think he's pointing out that money can change opinion and is most certainly required to amplify speech to the masses.I don't understand why this is so difficult for the left to understand.
Because all that money coming from a single individual or corporation corrupts the political process. Our representatives spend all their time raising money instead of trying to work together. The rich and businesses now have another way to hold on to their wealth and power. It's easy to do when you get to pick winners and losers.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:35 AM   #62
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And those people have a right as individuals. Why did we single out groups as having special rights? Why not give the Boy Scouts, the local PTA, your softball team those special rights to try to buy elections?

We all know the answer, they don't have millions/billions to give politicians.
Again, you have to go back to the heart of the case that Citizens United brought and why they brought it. You're wrong in your final conclusion, even if that is a byproduct of the ruling.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:41 AM   #63
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Because all that money corrupts the political process. Our representatives spend all their time raising money instead of trying to work together. The rich and businesses now have another way to hold on to their wealth and power. It's easy to do when you get to pick winners and losers.
I think you should always lean away from anything that limits an individual or corporation or union's ability to project an opinion or market a product.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:42 AM   #64
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But, but....

Money, oodles and ooodles of MONEY....are, in fact, "speech!!!" Especially since it's usually from rich dudes/corporations.

So saith the Conservative retards on the S.C., who want to ban pron. Just sayin'...
Yeah, Supreme Court justices are retards and you're the genius.
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Old 09-16-2012, 08:49 AM   #65
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I think you should always lean away from anything that limits an individual or corporation or union's ability to project an opinion or market a product.
This will not stand. As soon as the tables get turned on the R's, they will see the fallacy of allowing millions of $'s in secret donations to candidates.

History will show that this decision was one of the worst in the history of the SCOTUS. Wanna bet $10,000?
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Because all that money coming from a single individual or corporation corrupts the political process.
Yeah, but having 95% of university professors and 95% of the media as registered democrats doesn't.

yeah, no fair.
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Yeah, Supreme Court justices are retards and you're the genius.
Heh.
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Don't know what you're trying to say.
He's saying, while I'm not entirely sure I buy the logic, that all the people who have created and run the corporation already have rights with their finances, personally.
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I think he's pointing out that money can change opinion and is most certainly required to amplify speech to the masses. If you curtail what can be spent by an individual or how they can spend it (at the heart of the CU case) then you are restricting free speech. The Supreme Court ruled that corporations should enjoy these same benefits, lest their ability to promote their goods and services be limited. And political speech can be defined as a position worthy of this protection.

I don't understand why this is so difficult for the left to understand.
It really says something that you honestly think the only thing I need to do to come around to your opinion is think harder. That because I don't agree with Citizens United, I clearly must not understand it because the highest logic in the land dictates it to be justified. Your opinion of yourself is stupid high.

News flash: corporations and the wealthy have enjoyed far more disproportional representation in this country than their middle class and especially lower class counterparts.

Money should never have been considered speech -- that ruling cements what we already suspected to be true; that some people (namely the wealthy and powerful) have more speech than others (namely the other 99%).

Restricting political money with methods such as public financing allows for the democratic will of the people to be heard and followed much more easily than the oligarchy Citizens United has further enabled.
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Don't each one of those people already have their individual rights/protections within the political process...one man one vote?
How precisely do you reconcile a blanket restriction on the abridgment of freedom of speech with 'your one vote is the sum extent of your speech rights?'
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How precisely do you reconcile a blanket restriction on the abridgment of freedom of speech with 'your one vote is the sum extent of your speech rights?'
He's arguing that a person's vote should be their only capacity for free speech?

Is that what he's arguing?

Because I don't think he's arguing that.
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Don't each one of those people already have their individual rights/protections within the political process...one man one vote?
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He's arguing that a person's vote should be their only capacity for free speech?

Is that what he's arguing?

Because I don't think he's arguing that.
Its a reasonable interpretation of that statement to think that he's saying 'he has one vote, doesn't that cover what a person is entitled to within the political process.' Within the context of this thread discussing who and what is entitled to free speech under the Constitution, its further reasonable to assume that that is what 'entitled to' is referencing.
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Its a reasonable interpretation of that statement to think that he's saying 'he has one vote, doesn't that cover what a person is entitled to within the political process.' Within the context of this thread discussing who and what is entitled to free speech under the Constitution, its further reasonable to assume that that is what 'entitled to' is referencing.
Well hey, if you want to rebut the low-hanging fruit ideas, allowing the more potent truths to go undiscussed, than that is your right as a time-wasting American.

Removing limits on the financing of elections empowers the few over the many.

It is anti-democratic. It is anti-productive.

And it is corrosive to a healthy middle class, a minimally subsisting lower class, and really everybody else in the 99% I've neglected to mention.
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Well hey, if you want to rebut the low-hanging fruit ideas, allowing the more potent truths to go undiscussed, than that is your right as a time-wasting American.

Removing limits on the financing of elections empowers the few over the many.

It is anti-democratic. It is anti-productive.

And it is corrosive to a healthy middle class, a minimally subsisting lower class, and really everybody else in the 99% I've neglected to mention.
It took me all of two seconds to point out how a stupid comment was stupid.

YOU'RE the one who came back with 'how is it stupid, doesn't look stupid to me,' prompting me to graciously explain, to which you retort 'well yeah, it's clearly stupid, stop wasting precious time on a FB BB.'
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It took me all of two seconds to point out how a stupid comment was stupid.

YOU'RE the one who came back with 'how is it stupid, doesn't look stupid to me,' prompting me to graciously explain, to which you retort 'well yeah, it's clearly stupid, stop wasting precious time on a FB BB.'
That's all fine and good and everything, but that doesn't respond to more salient responses made as recently as post #55:

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Your first paragraph and second paragraph contradict each other. Your second paragraph is the naive ideal, your first paragraph is the practical reality.

You're attempting to argue that money can't make people change minds, it can only provide an avenue for which they can do that. While at the same time, you are admitting that flooding the market with enough money practically means enough minds will change.

Care to clarify?
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