Creation Seminar 1 - Kent Hovind - Age of the Earth

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Evolution does not necessarily mean you have to evolve from one species into another. Cro Magnons were human, yes? Neanderthals?

It's all just conjecture though right? I mean the supposed big bang created a human upon impact or???? That would have to be an unproven theory, correct?

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Science is based on theory. It does not have to be 100% provable to be science.

I would consider science to be facts, not just the best theory we have at the current time.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

It's all just conjecture though right? I mean the supposed big bang created a human upon impact or???? That would have to be an unproven theory, correct?

It's more or less been proven we are created from stardust for the most part. Thus my entire argument that we are a part of everything. Humans are no more special in the mix of things than the smallest molecule floating through the air. If it were not for stars and comets we would not exist. If we didn't have a sun and moon we would not exist as we know it today. One could say "well, God created the sun and moon for us as part of his creation" but then why is the sun going to eventually engulf this planet? Why is the moon slowly but surely getting further and further away from earth? I don't believe everything was created in 6 days, and moreso 6 literal days when we see and can measure that things just don't happent that way. That doesn't mean there isn't a God or a Creator. Just that there is more to it than what the book says.

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[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I would consider science to be facts, not just the best theory we have at the current time.

What is considered fact today may be disproved tomorrow. See Sun revolving around the earth. Valid argument, but not enough technology to disprove it.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

I would consider science to be facts, not just the best theory we have at the current time.

Well then you would be wrong. Gravity is still a theory for that matter.

But as I stated in the earlier thread here are some facts..

1. Without the sun we don't exist
2. Without the moon this planet is spinning so fast and so wobbly nothing we know as humans would ever exist

These are facts

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[J Diddy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well then you would be wrong. Gravity is still a theory for that matter.

But as I stated in the earlier thread here are some facts..

1. Without the sun we don't exist
2. Without the moon this planet is spinning so fast and so wobbly nothing we know as humans would ever exist

These are facts

Please provide source for 2. That interested me, but I found nothing agreeing with it.

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by h5n1

http://sickeninglyliberal.wordpress....god-hates-him/

Wow looks like that person Really hates Mr. Hovind, must have struck a nerve.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Wow, this dude does NOT like Mormons.

This guy and his son are both completely bat shit crazy. I mean I've seen moronic people in my time and are some spectacular instances here in Chiefsplanet but my god this guy takes the cake, possibly the dumbest man to ever claim to be a doctor, especially without a doctorate degree of any type.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

Wow looks like that person Really hates Mr. Hovind, must have struck a nerve.

yep, that's it. he struck a nerve. couldn't be the fact that he's a complete hack who spews nothing but trash? naw...that's IMPOSSIBLE.

tell you what--if he tried to tell me the sky was blue, I'd go have a look, then look twice. he specializes in the extreme fringe of the fringe dogma (I hesitate to even CALL it dogma, it doesn't even justify the term). I'm pretty sure there are fifth graders out there with more solid heads on their shoulders who could EASILY run circles around him intellectually. hell, I'm not pretty sure--I'm absolutely positive. it's sad that people like him breathe the same air as the rest of us, and even sadder that he's reproduced. he contributes NOTHING to our society (even less than fred phelps).

may god (or your personal deity of choice) have mercy on his soul

[KILLER_CLOWN]

Originally Posted by h5n1

yep, that's it. he struck a nerve. couldn't be the fact that he's a complete hack who spews nothing but trash? naw...that's IMPOSSIBLE.

tell you what--if he tried to tell me the sky was blue, I'd go have a look, then look twice. he specializes in the extreme fringe of the fringe dogma (I hesitate to even CALL it dogma, it doesn't even justify the term). I'm pretty sure there are fifth graders out there with more solid heads on their shoulders who could EASILY run circles around him intellectually. hell, I'm not pretty sure--I'm absolutely positive. it's sad that people like him breathe the same air as the rest of us, and even sadder that he's reproduced. he contributes NOTHING to our society (even less than fred phelps).

may god (or your personal deity of choice) have mercy on his soul

So the hatred extends to others I see. Hard to believe there are 5th graders who could run circles around him since the professors whom debate him can rarely can keep up.

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

So the hatred extends to others I see. Hard to believe there are 5th graders who could run circles around him since the professors whom debate him can rarely can keep up.

Go check YouTube. He's regularly destroyed online. He also won't debate anyone with any debating skills. He's a hacks hack.

[La literatura]

Originally Posted by h5n1

Hovind tells his audiences, "Evolution is the foundation for communism, nazism, socialism, Marxism and those who want a one-world government."[108] He maintains that biology textbooks are lying and that he considers evolution to be a religion[112] supported by false evidence that is used to brainwash youth. He claims, "Satan is using evolution theory to make kids go to hell."[113] Hovind claims he is not trying to eliminate evolution from schools,[114] but says "schools should teach both viewpoints."[113] He has claimed that everything is a religion, including mathematics.[115] Hovind disregards all fossil evidence, saying that "no fossils can count as evidence for evolution" because "all we know about that animal is that it died", and we do not know that it "had any kids, much less different kids."[116] In regards to different races, Hovind believes the best explanation for the origin of races is that "all families, countries, nations, and tongues were created or developed from" the Tower of Babel Bible story (Genesis 10:20).[117] In 2000, he alleged "global warming is a communist conspiracy."[96]
During a debate with Farrell Till, Hovind made the following statement about Donald Johanson: "[He] found the leg bones of Lucy a mile and a half away from the head bones. The leg bones were 200 feet deeper in a deeper layer of strata. I would like to know how fast the train was going that hit that chimpanzee."[118] This was clearly contrary to the published statements of Donald Johanson. After Hovind had been informed in 1993 that his statement was false, he agreed to stop using the claim but continued to make the statement. When he was again corrected in 1995, he agreed that he was in error, promised not to repeat the claim, and said he would remove it from his audio tapes.

(from his wiki page)

Nice. Where do I make my charitable contribution?

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by KILLER_CLOWN

The entire point is Evolution is just as much a religion as Christianity.

Except that one is based on facts and evidence, and piles of evidence, and mountains of evidence, and bones, and massive fossil records and hundreds of transitional fossils, and more evidence and testable evidence, and properly aged with over 23 different aging tests that are done besides carbon 14 dating. And evidence

And more evidence.

And way more evidence.

And scads of evidence.

And oh yeah evidence.

And you have? A jack wad without any type of science degree and or type of formal training or any scientific papers published or not.

Pretty much equal says ringleader.