2012 NBA Draft talk thread

[Al Bundy]

2012 NBA Draft 1st Round Order
1. New Orleans Hornets - Anthony Davis F Kentucky
2. Charlotte Bobcats - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist F Kentucky
3. Washington Wizards - Bradley Beal G Florida
4. Cleveland Cavaliers - Dion Waiters G Syracuse
5. Sacramento Kings - Thomas Robinson F Kansas
6. Portland Trail Blazers - Damian Lillard G Weber State
7. Golden State Warriors - Harrison Barnes F- North Carolina
8. Toronto Raptors - Terrance Ross G Washington
9. Detroit Pistons - Andre Drummond C U-Conn
10. New Orleans Hornets (From Minnesota) Austin Rivers G Duke
11. Portland Trail Blazers - Meyers Leonard C Illinois
12. Houston Rockets trade with Milwaukee Jeremy Lamb G U-Conn
13. Phoenix Suns - Kendall Marshall G North Carolina
14. Milwaukee Bucks trade with Houston Rockets John Henson F UNC
15. Philadelphia 76ers - Maurice Harkless F St. John's
16. Houston Rockets (From Knicks) - Royce White F Iowa ST.
17. Dallas Mavericks - Tyler Zeller C North Carolina (Traded to Cleveland)
18. Houston Rockets via Minnesota - Terrence Jones F Kentucky
19. Orlando Magic - Andrew Nicholson F St. Bonaventure
20. Denver Nuggets - Evan Fournier G France
21. Boston Celtics - Jared Sullinger F Ohio State
22. Boston Celtics (From Los Angeles Clippers) Fab Melo C Syracuse
23. Atlanta Hawks - John Jenkins G Vanderbilt
24. Cleveland Cavaliers (From Los Angeles Lakers) Jared Cunningham Ore St
25. Memphis Grizzlies - Tony Wroten JR. G Washington
26. Indiana Pacers - Miles Plumlee F Duke
27. Miami Heat - Arnett Moultrie F Mississippi State
28. Oklahoma City Thunder - Perry Jones III F Baylor
29. Chicago Bulls - Marquis Teague G Kentucky
30. Golden State Warriors (From San Antonio Spurs) Festus Ezeli C Vanderbilt


Updated with trades on 6-27

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by okcchief

BTW I think people are over-valuing Ray Allen to the Heat. He's pretty much just a spot up 3 point shooter at this point who'll replace Mike Miller. He's more versatile if healthy, but I doubt he'll shoot better than the rest of the Heat guys did in the finals. Miami is going to be good no matter what. Ray Allen isn't going to make them any better.

Mike Miller had 1 good game in the Finals. He hasn't been healthy in 2 years. Ray Allen being a spot up shooter is exactly what the Heat want him to be and he'll get plenty of wide open looks. Allen also is constantly moving and rotating on offense which is another virtue for Miami who can sometimes become stagnant.

[CJizzles]

So, NBA fans how does Tyshawn Taylor's game translate?

Pluses - good size, quick, good at getting to the basket

Negatives - must transform into a pure PG, inconsistent shooter

I've seen him projected anywhere from late first round undrafted.

Thoughts?

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

So, NBA fans how does Tyshawn Taylor's game translate?

Pluses - good size, quick, good at getting to the basket

Negatives - must transform into a pure PG, inconsistent shooter

I've seen him projected anywhere from late first round undrafted.

Thoughts?

As far as KU guys go... he'll be better than Vaughn but not as successful as Hinrich.

He's a quick defender with length and that is always needed in the NBA. Qualities that guys like Sherron lack.

I don't think he'll be as good as Chalmers though.

[CJizzles]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

As far as KU guys go... he'll be better than Vaughn but not as successful as Hinrich.

He's a quick defender with length and that is always needed in the NBA. Qualities that guys like Sherron lack.

I don't think he'll be as good as Chalmers though.

Chalmers played incredibly well.

Great value pick for Miami.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

Chalmers played incredibly well.

Great value pick for Miami.

I never understood why he dropped that year. He was amazingly consistent at KU with lots of NBA level highlites.

Oh well, he got his.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by DaKCMan AP

Mike Miller had 1 good game in the Finals. He hasn't been healthy in 2 years. Ray Allen being a spot up shooter is exactly what the Heat want him to be and he'll get plenty of wide open looks. Allen also is constantly moving and rotating on offense which is another virtue for Miami who can sometimes become stagnant.

Ray Allen at this point in his career doesn't do it for me. He can shoot, but he's pretty much done. I'm not saying he's not an upgrade over Miller. I'm just saying he's not going to shoot better than Cole, Battier, Miller and Chalmers did in the finals. If the Heat get that type of shooting they are close to impossible to beat. Ray Allen doesn't make them any better or worse. He's a good shooter to have and it's a good move for Miami. I just think people are over hyping it because he's Ray Allen.

[BWillie]

If Tyshawn Taylor goes undrafted I will never post here again. Hes going to be a good spark plug for somebody

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by BWillie007

If Tyshawn Taylor goes undrafted I will never post here again. Hes going to be a good spark plug for somebody

I'm not sure what he was talking about. I keep seeing his first round.

[CJizzles]

Originally Posted by Wickedson

I'm not sure what he was talking about. I keep seeing his first round.

I haven't read a mock in a long while. It may have been even before the workouts. But I know read somewhere that had him going undrafted.

[Bambi]

Originally Posted by CJizzles

I haven't read a mock in a long while. It may have been even before the workouts. But I know read somewhere that had him going undrafted.

Probably right around where Chalmers went I would think. #32-36

[CoMoChief]

Taylor won't go 1st round IMO.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taylor won't go 1st round IMO.

Probably not, but it wouldn't surprise me if he snuck in there. What would surprise me if he went undrafted. Hope he goes to someone I don't hate

[Urc Burry]

If Tyshawn goes to the right place I think he can be a solid player. Someone just has to coach the dumb mistakes out of him.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by okcchief

Ray Allen at this point in his career doesn't do it for me. He can shoot, but he's pretty much done. I'm not saying he's not an upgrade over Miller. I'm just saying he's not going to shoot better than Cole, Battier, Miller and Chalmers did in the finals. If the Heat get that type of shooting they are close to impossible to beat. Ray Allen doesn't make them any better or worse. He's a good shooter to have and it's a good move for Miami. I just think people are over hyping it because he's Ray Allen.

That line of thinking is flawed and ridiculous. It assumes that the Heat always shoot the way they did in the Finals. They don't. Ray Allen is a significantly better shooter than Norris Cole, Shane Battier, and Mario Chalmers.

In the Finals Battier shot a ridiculous 58% from 3 but during the season he only shot 34% and in the first three rounds of the playoffs he shot 31.8%, 27.3%, and 35%.

During the season Norris Cole was a 27.6% 3-pt shooter. Chalmers was a 39% 3pt shooter and even in the Finals he shot 35%.

Mike Miller is easily the best shooter of the group. He's a career 40.5% 3pt shooter, shot 43.5% on the season, and 63.6% in the Finals. The problem is he's never healthy. Prior to his game 5 7/8 outburst he made 1 out of his previous 13 3pt attempts in the playoffs.

Ray Allen shot above 45% from 3 on the season.

[shitgoose]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taylor won't go 1st round IMO.

It's tough to say where he goes. This draft is incredibly thin at the PG position. Teams like Chicago who need depth at that position may snag him at the end of the 1st.

I'd say his range is 25-40