Jerry Sandusky found GUILTY on 45 of 48 counts...

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Jerry #Sandusky has been found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges against him.

Maximum of 442 years in prison. I bet he doesn't make it 3 years.

Burn in hell...

[Otter]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I got a lot of shit for saying this, but again, Mike McQueary gets some vindication from this whole mess. From the sound of it, every level of authority at Penn State from the police to the head coach who pretty much owned Happy Valley to the Athletic Director to the damn President knew exactly what happened. Think I read that there were tons of discoverable e-mails.

Not that that excuses his inaction. But of all the crooked people in this mess, he's the only who seemed to take any kind of action. It's just a tremendous shame that those with the actual power to put a stop to this did not. That's what scares me most. There are always going to be lunatics. It's scary when there are people powerful enough to let these lunatics run wild.

Heads are going to be rolling for everyone that enabled Sandusky. Lives are about to be ruined an important men are going to fall.

Trust me. It's not exactly a secret.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Otter

Heads are going to be rolling for everyone that enabled Sandusky. Lives are about to be ruined an important men are going to fall.

Trust me. It's not exactly a secret.

It sounds like they've got a treasure trove of information. I hope they find every last one of them and make them pay and I'm glad this case if high profile enough that no way do these guys get off light. But in the end, it's one of those cases where I think the whistleblower got a lot of shit for what was a broken system. No school, coach, or anybody should be above the law.

[Otter]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It sounds like they've got a treasure trove of information. I hope they find every last one of them and make them pay and I'm glad this case if high profile enough that no way do these guys get off light. But in the end, it's one of those cases where I think the whistleblower got a lot of shit for what was a broken system. No school, coach, or anybody should be above the law.

Agree. I hope that mother ****er rots.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I got a lot of shit for saying this, but again, Mike McQueary gets some vindication from this whole mess. From the sound of it, every level of authority at Penn State from the police to the head coach who pretty much owned Happy Valley to the Athletic Director to the damn President knew exactly what happened. Think I read that there were tons of discoverable e-mails.

Not that that excuses his inaction. But of all the crooked people in this mess, he's the only who seemed to take any kind of action. It's just a tremendous shame that those with the actual power to put a stop to this did not. That's what scares me most. There are always going to be lunatics. It's scary when there are people powerful enough to let these lunatics run wild.

I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

[Strongside]

I'm guessing Sandy's first few months in the pen are going to look something like this...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

I said that was one thought that probably runs through the head of any whistleblower. Not the only thought.

I also said that doing the right thing means having an entire army of reckless Penn State fans calling in death threats to you, your family, your kids, maybe for the rest of your life. I said that the way the power system worked at Penn State, there are people in that alumni organization who can make sure your life is a living nightmare. And by the way, I believe I read a report that whistleblowers often don't quit their job out of fear. It's human to be scared. Maybe he was even threatened by authorities not to squeal. That doesn't excuse or justify the actions, but it's important to remember that he's a human who has every right to be afraid.

From the sound of it, McQueary's account was specific enough that every single person in the University from the President down to the police were completely aware of what was going on. And I'm sure McQueary knew everybody knew and was deliberately trying to cover it up. What is a 25 year old person supposed to do when all levels of authority know in graphic detail the horrible nature of what happened and do nothing.

I think people are really underestimating that this is David going against Goliath. Nobody is celebrating him for being some great guy. I just don't think you can get too critical of a guy asked to throw stones at Goliath and not be a little bit scared.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Laz

i don't care how pissed off i get at some guy i'm not going to shove my dick up his ass.

punch him repeatedly in the face maybe but ...


JMO

You are such a goddamned liar. You must face the truth someday. When you do, I shall applaud you, poofter.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by milkman

I've seen your whole "McQuerry was worried about his job and his future in the world of college athletics" argument.

It's complete utter bullshit.

Be a man and do the right thing.
Not doing anymore than reporting it to Paterno is not the right thing.

If the college football world shuns him for reporting child molestation, then why the hell would you want to work in an environment that shuns a man for bringing to light such a heinious act?

I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by milkman

Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

Complete agreement.

Just shitty all around.

[Bump]

if Sandusky were a priest, he'd be a legend.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by |Zoccer|

I agree with everything written above but I was thinking about this the other day. This isn't saying that he shouldn't have spoken up or anything at all but imagine...

You grow up a huge Penn St fan...it is in your family you go to games...it just a huge part of your world. You go to college there...maybe play ball and then you get your dream job of being able to coach there. Trying to work up the ladder yada yada...your history your current job your whole ecosytem is based on one school.

Then you see what he saw...

You know its wrong you know you need to report it.

But you also know you are irreparably damaging forever something that is a huge part of your life and the life of your family. You know you are sinking the whole ****ing ship/

My god that would suck.

I understand what you're saying. You're right in many ways.

However I can only speak of myself. I am a selfless person. I could never handle the guilt of knowing someone suffered because of my inaction. I would, quite literally, want to kill myself in that situation. My personal suffering is something I can deal with... but the suffering of someone else because of me? I can't. It's an incredibly unattractive trait to women (selflessness), but it's who I am and I don't apologize for it.

Having been the 'victim' of an attempted molestation as a child, I can say that these people need stabbed in the face and die as soon as possible. I'd love to be the official 'molester killer' of the gov't. Give me a title and I'll ****ing kill all these mother****ers personally.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by milkman

Then I think to myself, what if my son someday comes into contact with and becomes the victim of a predator like Jerry Sandusky, whose predatoty ways are allowed to continue because of the inaction of one man.

That trumps any excuse made by anyone for this useless coward.

Let's get one thing straight. The head coach of PSU and one of the most powerful men in the state had the power to do something, and did nothing. The Vice President of PSU and the head of the campus police, knew in explicit detail what happened, and did nothing. The athletic department head knew in explicit detail what happened and did nothing. McQueary met with all three of those guys. Those are three guys with the power to do something, and they didn't.

You have to imagine a young, 28-year old kid sitting in an office with those 3 powerful guys on separate instances and telling them that one of the most popular coaches in Pennsylvania and a legend was guilty of molesting kids, something that he couldn't prove beyond an eyewitness account. When they didn't do anything, you'd have to imagine a 28-year old man going to the press and taking down Jerry Sandusky, and Joe Paterno for doing nothing. Hell, Steve Bartman was crucified for making the most innocent mistake in history and he's had to live in hiding ever since. You're asking McQueary to take down a legendary defensive coordinator, the most popular head coach possibly in the history of college football, and to send the Penn State program down in flames. Let me also add that this went quiet for years and years and years. That shit doesn't stay quiet unless someone is actively making sure it stays quiet. You have no idea if McQueary was threatened to keep his mouth shut.

What McQueary had the ability to stop was on the day of. And details are sketchy as to how much he did to make sure the victim was no longer being abused. That was cowardly, yes. But after the incident... you're asking one 28 year old man to take down Godzilla with his own bare hands. It's inaccurate to say he did nothing.

[Raiderhader]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I said that was one thought that probably runs through the head of any whistleblower. Not the only thought.

I also said that doing the right thing means having an entire army of reckless Penn State fans calling in death threats to you, your family, your kids, maybe for the rest of your life. I said that the way the power system worked at Penn State, there are people in that alumni organization who can make sure your life is a living nightmare. And by the way, I believe I read a report that whistleblowers often don't quit their job out of fear. It's human to be scared. Maybe he was even threatened by authorities not to squeal. That doesn't excuse or justify the actions, but it's important to remember that he's a human who has every right to be afraid.

From the sound of it, McQueary's account was specific enough that every single person in the University from the President down to the police were completely aware of what was going on. And I'm sure McQueary knew everybody knew and was deliberately trying to cover it up. What is a 25 year old person supposed to do when all levels of authority know in graphic detail the horrible nature of what happened and do nothing.

I think people are really underestimating that this is David going against Goliath. Nobody is celebrating him for being some great guy. I just don't think you can get too critical of a guy asked to throw stones at Goliath and not be a little bit scared.

Your point might have some validity with me if this were a case of him running across some sort of paper trail, or over heard some people talking about it. But to actually catch the motherf#cker in the act, being there in the moment and worrying about your career? Sorry, the only thing that should have been running through his mind at that point was, "Stop this NOW!".

That is where it becomes absolutely in comprehensible and unforgivable.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Your point might have some validity with me if this were a case of him running across some sort of paper trail, or over heard some people talking about it. But to actually catch the motherf#cker in the act, being there in the moment and worrying about your career? Sorry, the only thing that should have been running through his mind at that point was, "Stop this NOW!".

That is where it becomes absolutely in comprehensible and unforgivable.

Sorry, this is my undergrad psychology background coming out in me. There is an enormous amount of evidence that it is HUMAN NATURE to panic when confronted by an authority figure. Sandusky wasn't just an average person or a peer. He was the second most powerful and popular man in Penn State history. Beloved by everyone in a state full of unbelievably rabid Penn State fans. There was a lot more to lose than career. Again, as I mentioned before... these kinds of huge violations don't stay a secret that long unless there are people up top actively making it clear the consequences of ratting someone like Sandusky out.

In the midst of turning in a guy of that stature, he probably panicked like a coward. But after that, at least he's one of the few who at least tried to make it right.