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Old 06-05-2012, 12:15 PM  
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Court Says Gay Rights Trump Religious Rights
By Todd Starnes

The New Mexico Court of Appeals upheld a ruling by the state’s Civil Rights Commission that a Christian photographer who refused to take pictures of a gay couple’s commitment ceremony violated the state’s discrimination law.

“Elane Photography may not discriminate in its commercial activities against protected classes as the basis for expressing its religious freedom,” Judge Tim Garcia wrote in a 45-page ruling.

The case dates back to 2006 when Vanessa Willock tried to hire Elane Photography for a “same-gender ceremony.” New Mexico law does not recognize either marriage or civil unions between persons of the same sex.

Elane Hugenin declined to accept the job and explained to Willock that because of their Christian beliefs the studio only handled “traditional weddings.”

In 2008 the New Mexico Human Rights Commission found Elane Photography guilty of “sexual orientation” discrimination. The studio is owned by a young Christian husband and wife who based their refusal on their religious beliefs.

The Court of Appeals determined that a photo studio is considered a public accommodation – much like a restaurant or a store. As such, the photo studio may not refuse services based on sexual orientation or gender identity – even if doing so would violate the religious principles of the owners.

“The owners of Elane Photography must accept the reasonable regulations and restrictions imposed upon the conduct of their commercial enterprise despite their personal religious beliefs that may conflict with these government interests,” Garcia wrote.

The Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal advocacy group, represented the photography studio. They plan to appeal the ruling.

“Americans in the marketplace should not be subjected to legal attacks for simply abiding by their beliefs,” senior counsel Jordan Lorence said in a statement. “Because the Constitution prohibits the state from forcing unwilling artists to promote a message they disagree with, we will certainly appeal this decision to the New Mexico Supreme Court.”

But the court ruled that once a business offers a service publicly, they must do so “without impermissible exception.”

Elane Photography posed a hypothetical situation to support its argument – imaging what would happen if an African-American photographer refused to photograph a Ku-Klux-Klan rally because the photographer “wanted to refrain from using her photography to communicate a message that she finds deeply offensive.”

However, Judge Garcia said the argument fails as a matter of law.

“The Ku-Klux-Klan is not a protected class,” he wrote. “Sexual orientation, however, is protected.”

The court ruled that the Christian photography company must pay fines totaling nearly $7,000.

You can read the entire court decision by clicking here.

Todd is the author of “Dispatches From Bitter America.” The book is endorsed by Sarah Palin, Mark Levin and Sean Hannity. Click here to get your copy!
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:49 PM   #121
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I believe I should be able to refuse to do business with anyone at any time for any reason.
OK. Say hi to Livesteam at the next Klan meeting.
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Old 03-25-2013, 02:52 PM   #122
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OK. Say hi to Livesteam at the next Klan meeting.
Meh. Is that the case even if it's white trash like livestream that I refuse to do business with?
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:05 PM   #123
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Meh. Is that the case even if it's white trash like livestream that I refuse to do business with?
In that case, you are refusing to do business with him because he's a meth-addled dick. Sounds like you would be basing the decision more on the "trash" and less on the "white."

Not serving someone because they are an asshole is ok. BECAUSE they are black--I don't think that should be ok.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #124
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The decision doesn't really say what the thread title says it says, and no libs with any clue ever said what you're suggesting they said.

Just for the record.
I said that they want to force religious groups to perform gay marriages. I was told "No way! Not ever! Not a problem, no worries, you can keep your freedoms" Then I posted the link to the Washington state house bill (supported by the Governor) requiring religious facilities be granted to gay marriages. It did not succeed, but the point was made.



So don't pretend the Libs don't want this. They do. THey want to force government to "integrate" gays into every aspect of life as equals, and they'll make religious groups go along with it. By force.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:07 PM   #125
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In that case, you are refusing to do business with him because he's a meth-addled dick. Sounds like you would be basing the decision more on the "trash" and less on the "white."

Not serving someone because they are an asshole is ok. BECAUSE they are black--I don't think that should be ok.
What if they're a black asshole? Do you see what I'm getting at?
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:22 PM   #126
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So if, hypothetically, every hotel, motel and restaurant between Washington DC and Florida refuse to service African-Americans, that should be ok?
Yes and any idiot who tried that would not be in business very long. If I pulled up to a business that refused to serve someone based on color I would most likely give them the finger and move on. I believe the government needs to get the **** out of our lives. If funded by the government than they should enforce rules. Schools, military, government jobs I have no problem with their input. As far as private owned businesses and personal issues as far as who can get married or what someone eats they can **** clear off~
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:23 PM   #127
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What if they're a black asshole? Do you see what I'm getting at?
Or a noxious liberal vag, for that matter.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:26 PM   #128
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In that case, you are refusing to do business with him because he's a meth-addled dick. Sounds like you would be basing the decision more on the "trash" and less on the "white."

Not serving someone because they are an asshole is ok. BECAUSE they are black--I don't think that should be ok.
FWIW, he didn't say he would refuse to do business with a black person. He just said he thinks it should be his right. Based on his responses, you don't know whether he's racist against blacks or if blacks are the only people he wants to do business with. The latter might not fly at the klan rally you have him pegged for.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:40 PM   #129
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FWIW, he didn't say he would refuse to do business with a black person. He just said he thinks it should be his right. Based on his responses, you don't know whether he's racist against blacks or if blacks are the only people he wants to do business with. The latter might not fly at the klan rally you have him pegged for.
Most generally and I believe in this case the racist is the one yelling racism and is projecting. This was put very well in a famous quote:
The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.
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Old 03-25-2013, 03:44 PM   #130
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There's no such thing as a "gay" right. There was no right violated here. The court is violating freedom of association and religion which happen to be in the Constitution. In a free country one should be free to do business with whoever they want or not want.
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What if they're a black asshole? Do you see what I'm getting at?
No, I don't. If they're an asshole, then exclusion on that basis is fine.
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FWIW, he didn't say he would refuse to do business with a black person. He just said he thinks it should be his right. Based on his responses, you don't know whether he's racist against blacks or if blacks are the only people he wants to do business with. The latter might not fly at the klan rally you have him pegged for.
I understand what he said and that it sounded like he wanted to reserve his right to refuse service on the basis of, for example, race. I figured the Klan covered several of the likely bases.
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There's no such thing as a "gay" right. There was no right violated here. The court is violating freedom of association and religion which happen to be in the Constitution. In a free country one should be free to do business with whoever they want or not want.
I know you don't believe any laws created after the original Constitution are important but maybe the Civil RIGHTS Act was violated?
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No, I don't. If they're an asshole, then exclusion on that basis is fine.
Some of your friends are black right? You ****ing libs and your over compensation
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