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Old 05-21-2012, 05:26 PM  
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Teacher yells at student for questioning Obama and is suspended with pay


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Old 05-22-2012, 01:17 PM   #61
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Think it was his choice to wear the US Navy shirt?
Why wouldn't it be? My sons have US Navy sweatshirts given them by their uncle, a retired US Naval Commander. They wear them, and the Navy sweat pants he gave them, when they want and of their own free will.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:17 PM   #62
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Think it was his choice to wear the US Navy shirt?
Yes.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:21 PM   #63
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Are students guaranteed the right to free speech in school? I don't think so.

It seems that requesting that a student not disrespect the president is reasonable. However, it gets a bit less reasonable after that.
Was he?
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:23 PM   #64
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Think it was his choice to wear the US Navy shirt?
Why not?
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:24 PM   #65
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Why wouldn't it be? My sons have US Navy sweatshirts given them by their uncle, a retired US Naval Commander. They wear them, and the Navy sweat pants he gave them, when they want and of their own free will.
Quite obviously he's a big pro Military Obama hater? I guess...?
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:24 PM   #66
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Was he?
If by 'disrespect' you mean 'failing to acknowledge obama as black jesus' then yes.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:24 PM   #67
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I wouldn't/couldn't rule it out,

But it looks kind of rehearsed. Remember these TV productions are highly scripted and produced. EVERYTHING is taken into consideration. Especially wardrobe.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:26 PM   #68
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Quite obviously he's a big pro Military Obama hater? I guess...?
Yeah these rotten kids that wear Navy t-shirts. They were probably put on them by their parents or attorneys as a means of posturing.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:26 PM   #69
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I wouldn't/couldn't rule it out,

But it looks kind of rehearsed. Remember these TV productions are highly scripted and produced. EVERYTHING is taken into consideration. Especially wardrobe.
Did you get a look at his hair? His pube-stache?
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:27 PM   #70
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I wouldn't/couldn't rule it out,

But it looks kind of rehearsed. Remember these TV productions are highly scripted and produced. EVERYTHING is taken into consideration. Especially wardrobe.
Even if the navy shirt was suggested, what would bother you about that?
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Did you get a look at his hair? His pube-stache?
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Yeah these rotten kids that wear Navy t-shirts. They were probably put on them by their parents or attorneys as a means of posturing.
He looked like a slob, dude. Besides, the audio of her being a moron is available for anyone to hear. It's not like you need to dress him up as a sympathetic character to alert everyone to the fact that she's an idiot.
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Are students guaranteed the right to free speech in school? I don't think so.

It seems that requesting that a student not disrespect the president is reasonable. However, it gets a bit less reasonable after that.
They aren't entitled to full free speech in a school setting and the SCOTUS has ruled as such, but if we were actually playing by the written rule, they are. They are citizens regardless of their age and the contract applies.

Students are allowed to disrespect the President. It may not be right, but they are allowed. Instead of shouting down the student, this was an opportunity to talk about they're communication style and promote characteristics that would convince people of ideas. Opposed to alienating them. Which is what this teacher did. She alienated the students. Not good leadership from the teacher. Not at all.
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Old 05-22-2012, 01:45 PM   #74
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They aren't entitled to full free speech in a school setting and the SCOTUS has ruled as such, but if we were actually playing by the written rule, they are. They are citizens regardless of their age and the contract applies.

Students are allowed to disrespect the President. It may not be right, but they are allowed. Instead of shouting down the student, this was an opportunity to talk about they're communication style and promote characteristics that would convince people of ideas. Opposed to alienating them. Which is what this teacher did. She alienated the students. Not good leadership from the teacher. Not at all.
I think this becomes a bit of a semantic argument on two fronts.

1. Yes, they have full first amendment rights, but time/place/manner restrictions apply so a student in a classroom naturally has less latitude to speak his mind than a guy on a soapbox in a public park.

2. Mild disrespect (e.g. "I don't trust that man") ought to be within the bounds of thoughtful discussion, but more severe disrespect (e.g. "that man is a pathetic liar who hates America and the first person to put a bullet in his head will be a national hero") has no place in the classroom. But I don't think the President deserves any more protection from disrespect than Mitt Romney or the English teacher down the hall.
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They aren't entitled to full free speech in a school setting and the SCOTUS has ruled as such, but if we were actually playing by the written rule, they are. They are citizens regardless of their age and the contract applies.

Students are allowed to disrespect the President. It may not be right, but they are allowed. Instead of shouting down the student, this was an opportunity to talk about they're communication style and promote characteristics that would convince people of ideas. Opposed to alienating them. Which is what this teacher did. She alienated the students. Not good leadership from the teacher. Not at all.
Oh, I agree 100%. Use that discourse as a learning opportunity. Major fail on that point.

But, even though I'm not the president's biggest fan, I don't think that it's unreasonable to ask that a student be respectful of the office. There are constructive ways to vent those kinds of feelings; it ties in well with with Garcia Bronco said above.

Students can't expect to say whatever they want and get away with it because of free speech. On the other hand, the teacher in this case just failed. Period.
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