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Old 05-15-2012, 08:29 PM  
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US arms sales to Bahrain to resume
By Geoff Dyer in Washington
May 12, 2012 12:09 am

The US is to resume selling arms to Bahrain a little more than a year after a harsh crackdown on anti-government protesters and despite continued claims of human rights abuses in the Gulf kingdom, which is a key US ally.

The Obama administration said that the arms sales, which Congress has been notified about, would include upgrades for Bahrain’s defence force, but would not involve weapons that could be used against demonstrators.

The decision to restart arms sales was the result of “national security interests”, said Victoria Nuland, state department spokeswoman. It follows a visit to Washington this week by Sheikh Salman bin Hamad Al Khalifa, Bahrain’s crown prince, who met with Hillary Clinton, secretary of state, and Leon Panetta, defence secretary.

Home to the US 5th fleet, Bahrain has been a key partner of the US in the Gulf for more than 60 years and the military facilities in the country are a central plank in the Pentagon’s efforts to deter Iran.

Other US allies in the region, notably Saudi Arabia, have also put pressure on Washington to maintain its support for Bahrain’s ruling Sunni Muslim royal family, which has faced widespread unrest among the majority Shia Muslim population.

However, the administration came under heavy pressure to scale back its ties last March after Manama declared a state of emergency in response to protests following the entry of Saudi and Emirati troops. In October, $53m in planned arms sales were put on hold pending an investigation of alleged human rights abuses.

A senior state department official said that the new arms sales would help boost the country’s external defences and would include air-to-air missiles, components for F-16 fighter jets and potentially a naval frigate. However, they would not include Humvees, stun grenades or tear gas.

“We are mindful of the continued human rights issues,” said a senior official. “Right now they are at an impasse and the violence is a result of that.”

In a speech last November, Hillary Clinton reflected on the conflicts of interest thrown up by the Arab Spring, particularly in Bahrain. It was fair for people to ask “why does America promote democracy one way in some countries and another way in others?” But she said that each country in the region was different and the administration needed to weigh the risk to US forces, the potential threat from al-Qaeda and the need to keep oil supplies flowing. “It would be foolish to take a one-size-fits-all approach and barrel forward regardless of circumstances on the ground,” she said.

As tensions with Iran have escalated in recent years, the US has been keen to use arms sales to boost the military capabilities of its allies in the region, most notably the $60bn deal with Saudi Arabia which was announced in 2010.
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Old 05-17-2012, 08:33 PM   #226
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Old 05-20-2012, 06:47 AM   #227
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The ‘Arab Spring’ shows that democratic process is useless without democratic culture.

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Old 05-21-2012, 11:26 AM   #228
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:21 PM   #229
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establishing democracy in countries formerly ruled by tyrannical despots is a good thing for us...

and you can't seriously believe the muslim brotherhood in egypt is like aq...

or maybe you can...
Where have we established a stable Democracy at? Like the one in Iraq that drafted Sharia law or the corrupt government in Afghanistan?
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Old 05-21-2012, 08:40 PM   #230
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Where have we established a stable Democracy at? Like the one in Iraq that drafted Sharia law or the corrupt government in Afghanistan?
we haven't "established" shit... (obviously a poor choice of wording there, my bad)...

i was referring to democratic movements taking form in the arab spring...

from free elections in tunisia and egypt to the liberation of libya, democracy is taking root...

it won't be easy and we probably won't like the way it turns out, but democracy has always been messy...

democracy in the arab world will be a good thing for us in the long run...

but not so good for our remaining arab "allies"...
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:08 PM   #231
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Where have we established a stable Democracy at? Like the one in Iraq that drafted Sharia law or the corrupt government in Afghanistan?
Japan?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:22 PM   #232
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Japan?
buzzzzz, CORRECT!!!11!!

for $1,000 what other country that had been at war with the u.s. became a great economic power as a result of our beneficence?
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Old 05-21-2012, 09:26 PM   #233
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in other news, japan was a severely funny retort...

a tip o' the hat, to ya...
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In staying firm with chiefsplanet legacy, we must now quibble for 50 minutes over Japan actually being a constitutional monarchy, not a democracy.
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we haven't "established" shit... (obviously a poor choice of wording there, my bad)...

i was referring to democratic movements taking form in the arab spring...

from free elections in tunisia and egypt to the liberation of libya, democracy is taking root...

it won't be easy and we probably won't like the way it turns out, but democracy has always been messy...

democracy in the arab world will be a good thing for us in the long run...

but not so good for our remaining arab "allies"...
Like the Democracy in Palestine with the election we didn't recognize?
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Japan flirted with Democracy during the Taisho times.
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Well, we actually closed the deal and bedded her.
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for $1,000 what other country that had been at war with the u.s. became a great economic power as a result of our beneficence?
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or maybe you can...

As anti-government protests continue brewing in Egypt, opposition groups such as the banned Muslim Brotherhood are gaining steam and popularity among disillusioned Egyptians bent on ousting President Hosni Mubarak from office. But excerpts of a 1995 book written by the Muslim Brotherhood‘s fifth leader and translated by Palestinian Media Watch are lending a disturbing look at the group’s views and stated mission.

“Jihad is the Way” is the last of a five-volume work, “The Laws of Da’wa,” written by Mustafa Mashhur, the reported leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt from 1996 until 2002. The Jerusalem Post reports that excerpts from the book detail the Brotherhood’s objectives, including the “global conquest of Islam” and “reestablishing the Islamic Caliphate, the “public and private duties of jihad” and the “struggles Muslims must wage against Israel.”

“The Islamic ummah,” [the book] says, referring to the supranational community of Muslims, “can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men, as the leaders of humanity.”

Elsewhere, it exhorts Muslims, “Know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation.

The book’s translation was compiled by Palestinian Media Watch founder Itamar Marcus and analyst Nan Jacques Zilberdik. Marcus spoke to the post about what he sees as the danger of downplaying the Brotherhood’s ideology and potential growing role in the political process.

According to Marcus, the Brotherhood differs from international terror groups like al-Qaeda only in tactics, not goals.

Marcus cited passages in the text that urge Muslims to wage jihad only when circumstances are ripe.

“The Brotherhood is not rushed by youth’s enthusiasm into immature and unplanned action which will not alter the bad reality and may even harm the Islamic activity, and will benefit the people of falsehood,” Mashhur wrote.

“One should know that it is not necessary that the Muslims repel every attack or damage caused by the enemies of Allah immediately, but [only] when ability and the circumstances are fit to it.”

In addition, “Jihad is the Way” stresses the importance of reinstating worldwide Islamic regime, noting that jihad is not only used to fend off “assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims,“ but is also used to bring about ”an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world.”

“Jihad for Allah,” Mashhur wrote, “is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, and the State of Islam established.”

Hassan al-Banna, the movement’s founder, “felt the grave danger overshadowing the Muslims and the urgent need and obligation which Islam places on every Muslim, man and woman, to act in order to restore the Islamic Caliphate and to reestablish the Islamic state on strong foundations.”

The book also specifically singles out the Holy Land, praising “honorable brothers” who have waged “jihad against the criminal, thieving, gangs of Zion“ in the past ”on the soil of beloved Palestine.”

“Still today, memory of them horrifies the Jews and the name of the Muslim Brotherhood terrifies them,” the book says.

Elsewhere, Mushhar wrote, “The imam and shahid Hassan Al-Banna is considered as a martyr of Palestine, even if he was not killed on its soil … in all his writings and conversations, he always urged towards jihad and aroused the desire for seeking martyrdom … he did not content himself only with speech and writing, and when the opportunity arrived for jihad in Palestine, he hurried and seized it.”

Wielding a broader brush, Mashhur wrote, “The problems of the Islamic world – such as in Palestine, Afghanistan, Syria, Eritrea or the Philippines – are not issues of territories and nations, but of faith and religion.

They are the problems of Islam and all Muslims, and their resolution cannot be negotiated and bargained by recognizing the enemy’s right to the Islamic land he stole, and therefore there is no other option but jihad for Allah, and this is why jihad is the way.”
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