Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-04-2012, 12:08 AM  
Direckshun Direckshun is offline
Black for Palestine
 
Direckshun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Springpatch
Casino cash: $1208936
Late night bullshit: are you a defense or an offense fan? (Also, Poe.)

Let's make this a poll.

I personally have always been more partial to defense. I think a great defense is like art in motion. An offense can be powered by a great quarterback or an elite player here or there, but a great defense requires an orchestration from all parts that an offense doesn't always require. Sure it helps if the left guard cut-blocks the defensive end on the far side of the field so that Jamaal Charles can have an additional tenth-of-a-second darting towards the opposite side of the field, but a great defense requires 11 moving pieces.

In that sense, I enjoyed the 90s Chiefs more than the 2000s Chiefs, the lopsided-defense teams over the lopsided-offense teams.

I've loved the development of this defense under Pioli and Crennel. We have the best and deepest defensive line this team has had since the days of Dan Saleamua (sp?). Our passrush rivals Allen/Hali from the Herm Edwards days. And our secondary is one of the very best the NFL has to offer.

It's been a bit anticlimactic for me, however. When I watch the big-ass defensive line required by a 3-4 defense, what position holds more fascination than the nose tackle?

You're talking about a humongous brute, whose sheer size is so great he lines up directly over the center with the intention of simply pushing the guy back by being big. He exists on a very small (but crucial) part of the field, and is bigger than everybody else, stronger than everybody else, and on the best defenses, more ferocious than everybody else. We're talking about a guy so big that he creates injuries by simply falling on people.

It's like an invulnerable superhuman, and it just fascinates me to watch it. So little movement all over the field compared to everybody else. Yet the things happening between the hashes, going up against the heart of an offensive line built to punish defenders, totally outnumbered and outgunned, are among the most important on the field.

We finally got one. And he is not small, and he is immensely gifted. 6'4", 350 lbs. He's among the strongest the league has to offer. Among the fastest the league has to offer.

I wasn't thrilled about the pick, but in a way I'm glad we got him. We finally have a player who does things like this:





And you absolutely have to love the primal scream about :33 in when he's getting close to 44 reps...



You see the guys on the sidelines lighting up. It's magnetic. It's something no other position can really do for your defense. It colors the entire defense.

No particular point to this thread. Just a meditation on defense, the nose tackle, and Poe.

It's too easy to hate on this guy, folks. Let's get the positive mojo going.
Posts: 43,696
Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.Direckshun is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:33 AM   #16
Fairplay Fairplay is offline
MVP
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: state of mind
Casino cash: $1005030931
Quote:
Originally Posted by Direckshun View Post
REALLY?

No DEFENSE people?

God. If I got to piss during a game, I do it when we force the other team to punt. I ****ing love defense.


I thought we had a choice.
Posts: 17,309
Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:40 AM   #17
Count Zarth Count Zarth is offline
Emperor of the Universe
 
Count Zarth's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $10240532
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairplay View Post
I find it sad when it is third down and two or three yards to go and you have to go to your passing game to try and get the first down.
Yup. I hate all this spread offense and zone blocking bullshit.

I wanna see my line move the other line off the ball and watch my fullback crush their middle linebacker as my 230 pound halfback crushes the strong safety and sprints into the secondary.

Then I want to see a deep ball off play action.
Posts: 165,278
Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:41 AM   #18
SNR SNR is offline
Simply Red's backup vocalist
 
SNR's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Where the hell is SNR
Casino cash: $4578698
Depends. For me I think I just love watching execution. There's something beautiful about the way a unit can confidently assert and execute. It could be that Aaron Rodgers game against Atlanta in the playoffs, where he played the game better than any QB I've ever seen. Or the Chiefs' offensive line running off tackle left with Priest Holmes even though the defense knows full well that play is coming. And they still make it happen. But since this thread is about defense, there's one particular play that absolutely speaks to what I'm talking about.

The San Francisco 49er defense in the playoffs for instance. Watching those guys work together was such a treat. One of those Drew Brees interceptions in the 1st quarter was just incredible. Justin Smith, of course, beat his men off the line of scrimmage, and had the position, strength advantage, momentum, and timing. He destroyed his side. Drew Brees rolled away from Smith, dictating his attention (mostly) away from half the field, or it forced his receivers to change their routes. You could see Brees attempting to locate Sproles, who had just been taken out by Willis when he was coming out of the backfield. Jimmy Graham was staying behind to block, but you could tell he was attempting to get free as an outlet. Meanwhile, there was Navarro Bowman hot on Brees' tail. Something had to happen, and that was the interception.

In that single play there were so many different possible escape valves that could have been activated for the Saints offense. The 49ers didn't worry about that. They knew that if they executed and did all of their jobs properly, that they could take down that play. And that's exactly what happened. And it wasn't haphazard or luck or even a correct "guess" in terms of coverage. It happened in a quick succession of steps.

1. Boom. Justin Smith raped your tackle/guard. Divert the QB and offensive flow in one direction. The play hasn't even been going on for 2 seconds yet and already one player has given the defense the sizable advantage.

2. Find possible short outlets and get them neutralized. Check.

3. Keep the coverage tight. Be cognizant of any possible lateral movements like Jimmy Graham breaking off the block and getting open for a short gain

4. To prevent that from happening, keep the offense off-balance, shorten the time they have to process new options. Force the play while you still have the advantage.

5. Like a queen in chess, a solution has been found. Navarro Bowman to Brees' asshole. Checkmate.

Total time: Not sure, but it happened REALLY fast. It was efficient, effective, and deadly.

Beautiful.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaper16 View Post
I would read an entire blog of SNR breaking down athletes' musical capabilities like draft scouting reports.
Posts: 54,660
SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.SNR is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:46 AM   #19
Count Zarth Count Zarth is offline
Emperor of the Universe
 
Count Zarth's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2002
Casino cash: $10240532
Quote:
Originally Posted by listopencil View Post
Same here but I get more into the Defense. I love to watch a good running game but I'll let out a huge uncontrollable primal scream when I see a big Defensive play.
The single most exciting moment for me in the history of the NFL:

Posts: 165,278
Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.Count Zarth is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:52 AM   #20
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $1129760
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satanic Goat View Post
The single most exciting moment for me in the history of the NFL:

Oh yeah. It's a blast to see an Offense execute a play to perfection, especially a running play. The Defense just fires me up more.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 27,888
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:53 AM   #21
Fairplay Fairplay is offline
MVP
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: state of mind
Casino cash: $1005030931
Can you imagine the fans reaction if the Chiefs offense are 2 yards from the goal and they bring Poe in as the only rb and stack the line.

Arrowhead would be going nuts.
Posts: 17,309
Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:53 AM   #22
Guru Guru is offline
Supporter
 
Guru's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Middle of the USA
Casino cash: $55120736
AS a fan at the stadium, I love defense. AT home, offense. So I guess I am 50/50.
Posts: 52,858
Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:55 AM   #23
KCrockaholic KCrockaholic is offline
The Silent Assassin
 
KCrockaholic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Olathe
Casino cash: $23008
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satanic Goat View Post
The single most exciting moment for me in the history of the NFL:

Posts: 14,820
KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 12:57 AM   #24
Guru Guru is offline
Supporter
 
Guru's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Middle of the USA
Casino cash: $55120736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Satanic Goat View Post
The single most exciting moment for me in the history of the NFL:

Care to elaborate? Can't see your link. tinypic is not allowed here.
Posts: 52,858
Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:00 AM   #25
Fairplay Fairplay is offline
MVP
 
Fairplay's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: state of mind
Casino cash: $1005030931
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guru View Post
Care to elaborate? Can't see your link. tinypic is not allowed here.


Larry Johnson scores then get a Chiefs flag and waves it around,

then runs and a player picks him up and LJ hold up his triangle sign in his hands.
Posts: 17,309
Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.Fairplay has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:01 AM   #26
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $1129760
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guru View Post
Care to elaborate? Can't see your link. tinypic is not allowed here.

I'm rather fond of this memory:

__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 27,888
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:02 AM   #27
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $1129760
Miller just destroyed that Right Tackle. That was one of those fist pumping, yelling at my TV set moments.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 27,888
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:04 AM   #28
Guru Guru is offline
Supporter
 
Guru's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Middle of the USA
Casino cash: $55120736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairplay View Post
Larry Johnson scores then get a Chiefs flag and waves it around,

then runs and a player picks him up and LJ hold up his triangle sign in his hands.
Ahhh, yeah that was a great moment. I still hate that triangle crap he did though.
Posts: 52,858
Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.Guru is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:05 AM   #29
KCrockaholic KCrockaholic is offline
The Silent Assassin
 
KCrockaholic's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Olathe
Casino cash: $23008
Why did Denver Have to get Von Miller He is a monster.
Posts: 14,820
KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.KCrockaholic wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2012, 01:06 AM   #30
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $1129760
Quote:
Originally Posted by KCrockaholic View Post
Why did Denver Have to get Von Miller He is a monster.

That kid is incredible.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 27,888
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.