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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #226
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Bottom line, the guy had no reason to stop him . Maybe the black kid felt threatened, by some random guy yelling at him to stop. How many of you would stop for some random guy ...just cus? The kid did nothing , if you want to defend a racist bigot who shot some kid he stoped becuase he was black..becuase lets be honest, chances are he wouldn't of stoped a white kid....than you're blind
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #227
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???

A neighborhood watch guy can detain you? Good luck with that. In what universe did neighborhood watch guys become members of the SS?

They can keep a weather eye on suspicious, potential neer-do-wells and call the cops. That's about it, man.

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That's why it's called Neighborhood Watch.

Not Neighborhood Detain and Shoot.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #228
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I surrender.

Take me in, Mr. Neighborhood Watch Guy. Can I have a sandwich whilst imprisoned in your basement?

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:49 PM   #229
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???

A neighborhood watch guy can detain you? Good luck with that. In what universe did neighborhood watch guys become members of the SS?

They can keep a weather eye on suspicious, potential neer-do-wells and call the cops. That's about it, man.

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I don't think people understand that neighborhood watch is not some security force.

It's a group of citizens who network to 'watch and report' anything that happens. It's pretty simple. Most neighborhoods have them. It's a network of snitches.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:52 PM   #230
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That's why it's called Neighborhood Watch.

Not Neighborhood Detain and Shoot.


I know.

We have now elevated our neighborhood watch guys into Sylvester Stallone & Friends operating under deep cover for the good of mankind and with a license to kill.

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:53 PM   #231
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Even if the kid's whipping your ass you have no right to shoot him. The only way it could even be close to justified is if the guy actually feared that the kid was about to actually beat him to death, which I doubt, or, if the kid grabbed your gun, you struggled, and the gun went off.
If you leave the house with your gun you're the one that needs to make sure retarded incidents don't happen.
Call the cops and let the cops handle it. That's it.
Right. Because if you're on the ground and some stranger is BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF YOU, you're just supposed to remain level-headed and assume that he'll stop at some point, because, well, he just will. Right. "Excuse me, sir. Could you please confirm that your intent here is to only beat the crap out of me, not cripple, permanently maim or kill me? Thanks buddy!"

****. Some of the shit being posted in this thread....
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:54 PM   #232
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The ones I fear the most are the Neighborhood Watch Ladies. Especially when their crime solving activities prevent them from getting their afternoon smoke break or picking up the kids at soccer.

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Old 03-08-2012, 03:56 PM   #233
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Where do you come up with this shit? A gated community is private property. He didnt stop him walking down the road of the town.

This is really no different than a security guard with a gun stopping the kid. Security guards are not cops either.
You dont have seperate laws in a gated community and remember his father lived in the Gated Community so he had a right to be there. Private property can in some states be protected by force if a crime is taking place against the proterty. There was no crime taking place so the man still does not have a right to stop someone in the nieghborhood by force just because he doesnt know them. He evidently doesnt know all his nieghbors so I doubt he knows the nieghbors family. This guy is in the wrong no matter what and he should go to jail no matter what he says because he choose to play the role of the law when no crime was being committed. Had the teen got the gun and killed him the teen would be in jail right now which is why black people are quick to yell Racism in these situations. They should have at least made the man make bail.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:58 PM   #234
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Right. Because if you're on the ground and some stranger is BEATING THE SHIT OUT OF YOU, you're just supposed to remain level-headed and assume that he'll stop at some point, because, well, he just will. Right. "Excuse me, sir. Could you please confirm that your intent here is to only beat the crap out of me, not cripple, permanently maim or kill me? Thanks buddy!"

****. Some of the shit being posted in this thread....
The guy would not have had to worry about that if he would have let the police handle it.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:59 PM   #235
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Who said he can detain anyone and everyone for no reason?

A stranger in a gated community late at night hardly qualifies as anyone and everyone just because he feels like it.

Did you miss the part about him calling the police to report a suspicious person prior to any of this happening? I suppose you think that has zero bearing on this.
In what universe can you detain someone for being a suspicious person?

Just in case that weird universe included the state of Florida, I went ahead and looked it up. It does not. In Florida, you can not detain someone or make a citizen's arrest unless you witness a felony.

You are just flat-out wrong here, and I'm not sure if there's any state where you'd be correct.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:59 PM   #236
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I know.

We have now elevated our neighborhood watch guys into Sylvester Stallone & Friends operating under deep cover for the good of mankind and with a license to kill.

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now that is funny i dont care who you are.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:00 PM   #237
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So its the black kids fault becuase he didn't want to stop.for some random person.....WHEN HE WAS DOING NOTHIN AT ALL TO BE STOPED IN THE FIRST PLACE ! **** THAT ! In no way is this the kids fault..if some random guy attempts to stop me so the cops can check me out "just cus" I'm not stopping. It's amazing how so many of you bitch and moan about how America is turning into a "socialist" goverment where our freedoms are being taken...and when someone whos rights were violated and the result was murder....you blame that person. ?
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:09 PM   #238
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You don't get to detain private citizens unless you are an officer of the law.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:27 PM   #239
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Other side of the story? Are you ****ing serious. What exactly would it take for the neighborhood watch Commando to have a legitimate reason to shoot the kid?

Did he feel threatened that the kid was going to start throwing skittles on him?
Read Frazod's article and then you let me know when you want to come and suck my dick you stupid piece of shit. I sniffed this bullshit article out on the first page, but you're just a gullible sheep. Learn to think objectively for yourself next time dipshit.
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Old 03-08-2012, 04:29 PM   #240
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I had a friend in high school who was a bit of a hothead. He got into a road rage incident with an older guy. They both pull over. Friend ends up shot in the throat and dies.

My friend got out of his car proceeded to the other guy's car, argument ensues, my friend loses his temper, starts punching other guy in the face. Guy pulls out his gun and shoots. Self-defense. Jury agreed.

I can see this happening just like it did with my friend.
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