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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:55 PM   #151
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I don't see anywhere in the article that is says he disobeyed a 911 operator and as far as his best Dirty Harry impression.....sounds like he was getting his ass whipped before he shot the kid.

I wholeheartedly agree with the bolded part. Dude is 25, not too smart of an age.
My bad, Mr. Marcellus ... it's there, but it's an assumption/opinion provided by a member of the victim's family.

I misinterpreted the paragraph. The family wants the 911 tapes which is a good idea, I think. Those would probably shed a lot of light on this deal.

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Old 03-08-2012, 02:56 PM   #152
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When you've had people break into your home in the middle of the night with the intent to do harm and ill, it'll change your perspective.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:58 PM   #153
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I would say the fact he was crying out for help and getting his ass whipped tells you he didn't just roll up guns a blazing.
I'd say the fact that the guy had a gun on him and confronted him tells me he was looking for exactly what he got.

He wanted an incident, now he can answer for it. People have the right to carry guns, but to me those who use guns frivolously, for intimidation, or for criminal acts deserve no quarter.

The altercation itself should have never happened, guns aside. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
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Old 03-08-2012, 02:59 PM   #154
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You cannot shoot people with guns unless the barrel is pointed at them. That isn't about gun rights, it's about function. Of course he pointed the gun at him. Otherwise the kid wouldn't have a bullet in his chest, nor would he have come down with a sudden case of death. I never said anything about him running up waving a gun and opening fire, but when your argument is weak you must create holes in another's statements to make yours appear more valid. I understand.

I also didn't say anything about guns being bad nor did I utter a word about gun control. Another assertion you make out of ignorance to strengthen your position that this guy shouldn't have to defend killing an unarmed person in court. Yeah, I know you didn't actually assert that. Since you were doing it I thought I'd be cool and try it.

If you feel like discussing this like a grown up, I'll be here.
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This guy is a murderer.
you weren't really judging him before you heard the entire story.

My point was, if he finds himself before a jury, more people will already think he is a murderer than don't think that, and he is most likely looking at a conviction and a nice long prison sentence. He better hope his sweet virgin ass doesn't get charged, because he's got a long road ahead. Your first post illustrated that point.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:00 PM   #155
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If I come to visit you in your gated community and I decide to go for a walk, you telling me that all you nieghbors have a right to confront me at every turn? Nope gated or not they still on in the U.S. and if Im confronted I have a right to assess the situation and to protect myself if I feel threaten. Now as for your nieghrbors approaching me for walking they have no right. If they are that worried they should have hired a gate guard so that anyone who come into the nieghborhood would have to leave the info about there visit.
As a matter of fact, they do. Gated communities are typically private property.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:01 PM   #156
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If you READ THE ACTUAL STORY, not the bleeding heart Yahoo piece of crap, you'll see that there was an altercation first, and evidence that the watch guy was physically assaulted. Did this happen prior to him drawing his weapon or in response to him drawing his weapon? That information is not available at this time.

Forgive me if I'm not stupid enough to jump to conclusions here just because our comrades at Yahoo would have me believe the evile white guy popped our poor innocent young black wannabe pilot skittle loving victim just for racist kicks.
Who instigated the confrontation? The guy walking down the street minding his own business or the wannabe who ran up on him?
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:01 PM   #157
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I'd say the fact that the guy had a gun on him and confronted him tells me he was looking for exactly what he got.

He wanted an incident, now he can answer for it. People have the right to carry guns, but to me those who use guns frivolously, for intimidation, or for criminal acts deserve no quarter.

The altercation itself should have never happened, guns aside. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
I pretty much agree with all of this. He should have been smarter about the whole thing, he gets no sympathy from me if they charge him.
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I'd say the fact that the guy had a gun on him and confronted him tells me he was looking for exactly what he got.

He wanted an incident, now he can answer for it. People have the right to carry guns, but to me those who use guns frivolously, for intimidation, or for criminal acts deserve no quarter.

The altercation itself should have never happened, guns aside. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
that's sort of my stance. when I CCW, I'm GTFO if I can when SHTF.
if I can't, well, I'll do what's necessary to defend me and mine.
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I'd say the fact that the guy had a gun on him and confronted him tells me he was looking for exactly what he got.

He wanted an incident, now he can answer for it. People have the right to carry guns, but to me those who use guns frivolously, for intimidation, or for criminal acts deserve no quarter.

The altercation itself should have never happened, guns aside. Stupidity isn't a good excuse.
You think he was looking to kill somebody? How many people do you think have a true capacity to kill in cold blood?

****ing ridiculous. Most legal gun owners, most meaning 99.99% of them, wouldn't shoot a human unless it was the most dire of circumstances.

Was the guy a dumbass? Apparently he was. Was he looking to kill someone? A 25 year old white dude living in a gated community? Give me a ****ing break.
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It's amazing to me that anyone would defend a citizen gunning down an unarmed minor inside a residential area.

For those of you who say "I'm sure he reacted calmly"... You're a ****ing retard. Citizens cannot simply go around pointing guns at other people they're suspicious of. We have laws. If this shit was kosher I'd have already killed a few hundred people. This guy is a murderer.

Apparently when gunning down a black kid in a white neighborhood "He came at me with a bag of skittles" is a legit defense.
Florida has a 'no retreat' law. It's up to the police/prosecuting attorneys to determine whether or not they feel the shooter reasonably feared death or serious injury.
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Old 03-08-2012, 03:05 PM   #161
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Sorry to put words in your mouth. I guess when you said the following:



you weren't really judging him before you heard the entire story.

My point was, if he finds himself before a jury, more people will already think he is a murderer than don't think that, and he is most likely looking at a conviction and a nice long prison sentence. He better hope his sweet virgin ass doesn't get charged, because he's got a long road ahead. Your first post illustrated that point.
Okay, that was a bit 'jumpy to conclusiony' I admit.
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If I come to visit you in your gated community and I decide to go for a walk, you telling me that all you nieghbors have a right to confront me at every turn? Nope gated or not they still on in the U.S. and if Im confronted I have a right to assess the situation and to protect myself if I feel threaten. Now as for your nieghrbors approaching me for walking they have no right. If they are that worried they should have hired a gate guard so that anyone who come into the nieghborhood would have to leave the info about there visit.
If it's a gated community, then yeah... gated means private property. No different than if someone was spotted inside a fence at some business property that doesn't work there.

Now that said, the idiot guy clearly went about it wrong. And deserves a trial to answer for it.
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How is it not illegal for a regular citizen guy to detain and question another regular citizen guy?

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If it is a gated community, there is likely a covenant that details the relationship between the people within said community and whatever deal the HOA has set up with XYZ security co.
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