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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 03-25-2012, 05:51 PM   #1591
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Yah no he isn't involved with gangs, he is a good kid.....LOL
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:56 PM   #1592
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Yah no he isn't involved with gangs, he is a good kid.....LOL
I don't see any gang signs or colors there.
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:56 PM   #1593
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Yah no he isn't involved with gangs, he is a good kid.....LOL
What makes you think he's in a gang?
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Old 03-25-2012, 05:57 PM   #1594
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pfffft...

are you too stupid or too prejudiced to see that zimmerman clearly had every right to kill someone he chased down and confronted because that person broke his nose?

since you're basing your opinion on actual facts instead of waiting for additional facts, i'd vote for stupid...

btw, i hear stupid is in good company...
I wasn't aware breaking someone's nose was a capital offense.

So let me see if I have your scenario straight since the whole stupid thing hinges on it. If its dark and someone chases you down, its not logical to think that person might be trying to hurt you so you shouldn't defend yourself. Martin in your scenario has no right to defend himself. However Zimmerman who forces a confrontation and gets attacked has every right to retaliate by killing Martin. Brilliant.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:00 PM   #1595
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Now to drive this back to being on topic.

The issue is he's not an officer, and was nothing more than a Neighborhood watch person. Being a neighborhood watch person means you watch the ****ing neighborhood and report suspicious activity to the people who actually enforce the law and not take matters into your own hands.

If he'd just simply reported it and let the police handle it, there would be no issue. Instead he decided to ignore the suggestion from the dispatcher to leave the kid alone and decided to chase after him. You know what that makes Zimmerman? The aggressor.

Here's the stand your ground law for the state of Florida from wiki:

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2011 Florida Statutes CHAPTER 776 JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE[14]

776.012 Use of force in defense of person.—A person is justified in using force, except deadly force, against another when and to the extent that the person reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or herself or another against the other’s imminent use of unlawful force. However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony; or
(2) Under those circumstances permitted pursuant to s. 776.013.

776.013 Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—

(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcefully entering, or had unlawfully and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.

(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:

(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

(4) A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving force or violence.

(5) As used in this section, the term:

(a) “Dwelling” means a building or conveyance of any kind, including any attached porch, whether the building or conveyance is temporary or permanent, mobile or immobile, which has a roof over it, including a tent, and is designed to be occupied by people lodging therein at night.
(b) “Residence” means a dwelling in which a person resides either temporarily or permanently or is visiting as an invited guest.
(c) “Vehicle” means a conveyance of any kind, whether or not motorized, which is designed to transport people or property.

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

(3) The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:

(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or

(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:

(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.
At no point have I read that Trayvon was attempting to break into his house, steal his truck or was holding a weapon. If anything, he was running to avoid a confrontation with Zimmerman.

I could really care less if Zimmerman did yelp for help, how Zimmerman stacked up via weight/height/age or if he had pulled out his weapon when confronting. He shouldn't of even been ****ing confronting the kid and the only reason why he was in any sort of danger was because he's a ****ing moron and deserved it.

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Old 03-25-2012, 06:03 PM   #1596
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What makes you think he's in a gang?
I am not 100% positive he is in a gang but:

1) his facebook page was supposedly filled with gang-style pictures such as these

2) this picture, while it may or may not contain colors of his gang (if he is in one) is gertainly 'thung life' style (pants sagging low , ghetto style etc..)

3) What makes you so sure the red/orange color in his hat, drawers, and pants arent his color?

4) Often kids wear neutral (non gang) colors if theyre smart, to avoid getting jumped/accosted by police/shot etc....

5) He was serving a 10 day suspension, and no one will say why. I am going to guess, at least in part it was for something gang related....It might not be but it has to be damn serious to be a 10 day.

6) I know a lot of little gang banger punks, thats what they look like in that picture....LOL..but of course can be any color.

Again, I am not positive he is in a gang...but I believe that it could become a factor in the case. Especially if he was actually suspended from school for something gang related or violent.
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Old 03-25-2012, 06:05 PM   #1597
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I am not 100% positive he is in a gang but:

1) his facebook page was supposedly filled with gang-style pictures such as these

2) this picture, while it may or may not contain colors of his gang (if he is in one) is gertainly 'thung life' style (pants sagging low , ghetto style etc..)

3) What makes you so sure the red/orange color in his hat, drawers, and pants arent his color?

4) Often kids wear neutral (non gang) colors if theyre smart, to avoid getting jumped/accosted by police/shot etc....

5) He was serving a 10 day suspension, and no one will say why. I am going to guess, at least in part it was for something gang related....It might not be but it has to be damn serious to be a 10 day.

6) I know a lot of little gang banger punks, thats what they look like in that picture....LOL..but of course can be any color.

Again, I am not positive he is in a gang...but I believe that it could become a factor in the case. Especially if he was actually suspended from school for something gang related or violent.
That picture looks like every ****ing kid in the country.

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Old 03-25-2012, 06:05 PM   #1598
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I am not 100% positive he is in a gang but:

1) his facebook page was supposedly filled with gang-style pictures such as these

2) this picture, while it may or may not contain colors of his gang (if he is in one) is gertainly 'thung life' style (pants sagging low , ghetto style etc..)

3) What makes you so sure the red/orange color in his hat, drawers, and pants arent his color?

4) Often kids wear neutral (non gang) colors if theyre smart, to avoid getting jumped/accosted by police/shot etc....

5) He was serving a 10 day suspension, and no one will say why. I am going to guess, at least in part it was for something gang related....It might not be but it has to be damn serious to be a 10 day.

6) I know a lot of little gang banger punks, thats what they look like in that picture....LOL..but of course can be any color.

Again, I am not positive he is in a gang...but I believe that it could become a factor in the case. Especially if he was actually suspended from school for something gang related or violent.
What part of it doesn't matter if he looks thugish don't you ****ing understand?
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You know what that makes Zimmerman? The aggressor.
Your entire post is flawed because this is not a fact.
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Your entire post is flawed because this is not a fact.
haha what the **** Feel free to link some stories that states he was committing crimes, as I have not seen any.

If there was a potential for the tables to turn with actual facts, fox news would be allover that shit.
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What part of it doesn't matter if he looks thugish don't you ****ing understand?
I was asked a question...what makes ME suspect he is in a gang...

Again, you really have a struggle with reading / comprehension.

I am not saying I know he is in a gang, or even THAT IT MATTERS if he 'looks thuggish.'

You are correct in one sense , if he simply looks thuggish it won't matter.

But you are a fool if you think it won't matter if he is in a gang or the evidence will show his suspension from school or his facebook posts or any other hard evidence will show that he is affiliated with a gang.

It will matter at that point that he 'looks like a thug' to the jury. Trust me on that.
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haha what the **** Feel free to link some stories that states he was committing crimes, as I have not seen any.

If there was a potential for the tables to turn with actual facts, fox news would be allover that shit.
The burden to prove that Zimmerman is the aggressor is on you, not the other way around.
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I was asked a question...what makes ME suspect he is in a gang...

Again, you really have a struggle with reading / comprehension.

I am not saying I know he is in a gang, or even THAT IT MATTERS if he 'looks thuggish.'

You are correct, if he simply looks thuggish it won't matter.

But you are a fool if you think it won't matter if he is in a gang or the evidence will show his suspension from school or his facebook posts or any other hard evidence will show that he is affiliated with a gang.

It will matter at that point that he 'looks like a thug' to the jury. Trust me on that.
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Yah no he isn't involved with gangs, he is a good kid.....LOL
No no part of that post would make it seem you're drawing to a conclusion at all.

Jesus dude, just stop posting while you're behind.

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The burden to prove that Zimmerman is the aggressor is on you, not the other way around.
Looks like there is already plenty of stuff stacking against him to show that he was the aggressor, so I'd say he's the one that will have to prove he was defending himself.
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That picture looks like every ****ing kid in the country.
Again, I'm not sure if every other kid has thug and gang type pictures all over their facebook , but hey i guess I am getting old.

In any case, it will be up to the defense to present any evidence that Trayvon was affiliated with a gang, and I am sure it will come to the surface if he was.

That is all I am saying....If it does come to light, it could be a real problem for the prosecution.
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what in the holy **** are you talking about Pawnmower? Even if he posted on facebook, "hey my ****as I am a blood holla REAL G SHIT" doesn't make it suddenly okay for a neighborhood watch person to hunt him down and shoot him.

You're putting in an awfully lot amount of effort to claim lack of bias than passive-aggressively leading around that Zimmerman acted in a justified manner.
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