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Old 01-31-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:29 PM   #1276
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The ACC is showing some signs of a possible fracture. Michigan and tOSU are in a supremely stable conference with a massive television contract and a massive research grant.

North Carolina and Duke are in a conference vying with 2 others for a single seat at the grownups table. If the rest of their conference really is sick of dealing with them, the ACC could start to look like the XII did a year ago.
What are you talking about?

There are not going to be 4 superconferences playing an NFL format playoff.

It's not happening dude.
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:35 PM   #1277
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What are you talking about?

There are not going to be 4 superconferences playing an NFL format playoff.

It's not happening dude.
So you think the Big XII is just perfectly content being the 5th best conference?
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:49 PM   #1278
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:53 PM   #1279
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Seems to me the ACC might be interested in Louisville if they are moving. If you are Louisville it seems like a good fit. Better basketball conference than the Big12
Remember the narrative: "its all about football". Big XII trumps ACC both in prestige and money, that's why Louisville wants the Big XII. The basketball program is already the most valuable in college.
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True, but someone could force their hands. If Slive is hell-bent on a 16 team SEC (and I think he is), he could tell UNC and Duke that it's them or VA Tech/NC State. At that point, they have to choose between joining the SEC and fighting a war against the Big XII (that I think the Big XII could likely win).
I think the Big XII comes out well in that scenario. And, it seems to run counter to the "its all about football". If UNC-Duke leave, the best ACC football programs will rush to the Big XII. FSU, Clemson, G Tech, VA Tech, NC ST, and then throw in Louisville, allows the Big XII to compete in SEC markets.
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Remember the narrative: "its all about football". Big XII trumps ACC both in prestige and money, that's why Louisville wants the Big XII. The basketball program is already the most valuable in college.
Louisville would gladly jump into the Big XII or the ACC in a heartbeat. There's no way the ACC would consider them, though.
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I think the Big XII comes out well in that scenario. And, it seems to run counter to the "its all about football". If UNC-Duke leave, the best ACC football programs will rush to the Big XII. FSU, Clemson, G Tech, VA Tech, NC ST, and then throw in Louisville, allows the Big XII to compete in SEC markets.
I agree that the Big XII would be in great shape there, but I don't see how that undercuts the importance of football.

Every one of those schools that you listed (other than VA Tech) has an inferior football program that their in-state counterpart in the SEC.

Losing 2 great basketball schools to a football conference would underscore the fact that football is what makes a conference powerful. Otherwise, the Big East would rule.
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So you think the Big XII is just perfectly content being the 5th best conference?
What are they the 5th best conference in?

There are good teams in things and bad teams in things. Conferences don't compete against each other. They are a means for scheduling.
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I agree that the Big XII would be in great shape there, but I don't see how that undercuts the importance of football.

Every one of those schools that you listed (other than VA Tech) has an inferior football program that their in-state counterpart in the SEC.

Losing 2 great basketball schools to a football conference would underscore the fact that football is what makes a conference powerful. Otherwise, the Big East would rule.
That was in reference to your statement/belief that they would threaten UNC-Duke by taking VA Tech and NC St if they didn't join. That's not a football move.

I agree that the ACC schools in SEC country are inferior, but they offer certain advantages as well. GTech is in Atlanta, FSU certainly has its own history, Clemson, I would argue is just as good, if not better, than SC. You don't have to claim superiority in that area, you just have to claim some of the market share. There are fans in those states who will watch both their SEC and Big XII teams.

If they match up, sure, most will root SEC, but in the TV market game, you're just looking to steal a share. As the sun travels west, hard core fans will be watching just as much Big XII as they will SEC.
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Man, it still hasn't hit me that there's going to be a lot of different matchups/conference games come this fall.

Not sure how long it'll take me to get accustomed to all the new changes.
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What are they the 5th best conference in?

There are good teams in things and bad teams in things. Conferences don't compete against each other. They are a means for scheduling.
Conferences absolutely compete against each other. They compete for television contracts and sponsors and even members.

There are 3 mega-conferences.

After that, there's the ACC, the Big XII, and the Big East (in that order).

You can debate whether or not the 4 superconference structure is coming, but things are inching that direction. The SEC, B1G, and PAC have all expanded by poaching teams from the XII. The ACC is expanding by poaching teams from the Big East. The XII has hedged some of it's losses from the Big East. These are facts.

The Big East is on life support. Their days as a power conference are numbered.

The SEC, PAC, and B1G are more powerful than ever and all have room to expand if the right opportunity presents itself.

The ACC has expanded.

The Big XII has shrunk.

At the moment, the Big XII is the 5th most powerful conference. This also makes them the second most vulnerable major conference.
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No way. Adding UNC and Duke would turn the SEC into it's own little fiefdom. It could potentially be terrible for college sports as a whole.
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Conferences absolutely compete against each other. They compete for television contracts and sponsors and even members.

There are 3 mega-conferences.

After that, there's the ACC, the Big XII, and the Big East (in that order).

You can debate whether or not the 4 superconference structure is coming, but things are inching that direction. The SEC, B1G, and PAC have all expanded by poaching teams from the XII. The ACC is expanding by poaching teams from the Big East. The XII has hedged some of it's losses from the Big East. These are facts.

The Big East is on life support. Their days as a power conference are numbered.

The SEC, PAC, and B1G are more powerful than ever and all have room to expand if the right opportunity presents itself.

The ACC has expanded.

The Big XII has shrunk.

At the moment, the Big XII is the 5th most powerful conference. This also makes them the second most vulnerable major conference.

The teams that left the Big 12 left because they wanted to leave. Top heavy conferences have this problem.

The conference is firmly entrenched with championship level athletics and an unrivaled TV contract when it comes to per school payout.

The Big 12 does what it wants. There are numerous teams banging on the door to try and get a piece of what the Big 12 has. But why would you split with more teams when your TV contract is already maxed out?

The logistics of corporate bowl tie ins are so complex that you will never have a playoff system in college football like they do at the FCS level. What schools need to do is start showing some pride in their history and stop hanging their brethren out to dry ala what Syracuse and WVU have done.
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