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Wow.
That's what they're asking for. Which means Missouri and aTm will actually end up paying much, much less than that.

Honestly, I think it's a possiblity aTm and Mizzou might lawyer up and force the Big 12 to sue them (and then wait out the collapse of the league).
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That's what they're asking for. Which means Missouri and aTm will actually end up paying much, much less than that.

Honestly, I think it's a possiblity aTm and Mizzou might lawyer up and force the Big 12 to sue them (and then wait out the collapse of the league).
Given how shaky the bylaws appear to be, that might be a possibility.
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Nebraska: No regrets. The Huskers miss the Oklahoma rivalry, but it was a shell of its former self anyway. The Big Ten is perfect for Nebraska. The Huskers might not win a Big Ten title anytime soon, but the Huskers' last Big 12 football title was 1999.

Missouri: Regrets. The Tigers actually will be fine with SEC football. I think they'll win their share of games, make a bowl virtually every year, make a run at a division title or two. Might even win the SEC East sometime. In other words, do about what Mizzou has done in the Big 12 the last 6-8 years. But Missouri is going to miss Big 12 basketball. Its games with Kansas. The conference tournament in Kansas City, which has served as a Mizzou reunion lo these many years. Neither can be replicated in the SEC, and when the Tigers are playing South Carolina or somebody in an 11:30 a.m. Thursday game in the first round of the SEC Tournament, with maybe 300 Mizzou fans and 4,000 total in the Georgia Dome, Missouri people will look at each other and say, what have we done?

Colorado: No regrets. The Buffs were in the Big 12/Big Eight/Big Seven for 60 years, and not one thing bound them to the conference. No real rivalry. No great tradition, except for three or four years of Bill McCartney excellence 20 years ago. Colorado might never feel a strong connection with the Pac-12, but it never felt a strong connection with its old partners, either.

Texas A&M: Regrets. The Aggies left the Big 12 for one reason. To get away from Texas. Except the Ags are going to realize, they didn't get away from the Longhorns. In the boardrooms and courtrooms and teacher lounges all across Texas, there will be Texas Exes, grinning at A&M's struggles to overcome Alabama or LSU or Auburn. And the only satisfaction A&M ever got in this bad-blood rivalry – beating Texas – now is gone.

West Virginia: No regrets. Who knows if the Mountaineers will enjoy the Big 12 or not? West Virginia no doubt would have preferred the ACC, because of geography, but that door never opened. So the Mountaineers travel cross-country, where they should be fine competitively and they most definitely will not be in the dysfunctional Big East, which started out as a compact hoops league and now is bloated from sea to shining sea, much to the chagrin of old-line league members.


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Old 02-15-2012, 06:45 PM   #425
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That's what they're asking for. Which means Missouri and aTm will actually end up paying much, much less than that.

Honestly, I think it's a possiblity aTm and Mizzou might lawyer up and force the Big 12 to sue them (and then wait out the collapse of the league).
There are no damages to sue for. Because they added a tenth team, the television contract didn't lose any value. In fact, each member school gets a larger share than they did when there were 12 teams.
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Nebraska: No regrets. The Huskers miss the Oklahoma rivalry, but it was a shell of its former self anyway. The Big Ten is perfect for Nebraska. The Huskers might not win a Big Ten title anytime soon, but the Huskers' last Big 12 football title was 1999.

Missouri: Regrets. The Tigers actually will be fine with SEC football. I think they'll win their share of games, make a bowl virtually every year, make a run at a division title or two. Might even win the SEC East sometime. In other words, do about what Mizzou has done in the Big 12 the last 6-8 years. But Missouri is going to miss Big 12 basketball. Its games with Kansas. The conference tournament in Kansas City, which has served as a Mizzou reunion lo these many years. Neither can be replicated in the SEC, and when the Tigers are playing South Carolina or somebody in an 11:30 a.m. Thursday game in the first round of the SEC Tournament, with maybe 300 Mizzou fans and 4,000 total in the Georgia Dome, Missouri people will look at each other and say, what have we done?

Colorado: No regrets. The Buffs were in the Big 12/Big Eight/Big Seven for 60 years, and not one thing bound them to the conference. No real rivalry. No great tradition, except for three or four years of Bill McCartney excellence 20 years ago. Colorado might never feel a strong connection with the Pac-12, but it never felt a strong connection with its old partners, either.

Texas A&M: Regrets. The Aggies left the Big 12 for one reason. To get away from Texas. Except the Ags are going to realize, they didn't get away from the Longhorns. In the boardrooms and courtrooms and teacher lounges all across Texas, there will be Texas Exes, grinning at A&M's struggles to overcome Alabama or LSU or Auburn. And the only satisfaction A&M ever got in this bad-blood rivalry – beating Texas – now is gone.

West Virginia: No regrets. Who knows if the Mountaineers will enjoy the Big 12 or not? West Virginia no doubt would have preferred the ACC, because of geography, but that door never opened. So the Mountaineers travel cross-country, where they should be fine competitively and they most definitely will not be in the dysfunctional Big East, which started out as a compact hoops league and now is bloated from sea to shining sea, much to the chagrin of old-line league members.


Read more: http://newsok.com/conference-realign...#ixzz1mVLwtoqz
Some guy from Oklahoma thinks that Mizzou is going to regret the move because they won't be playing in front of as large of a crowd in the SEC tournament as they did in the Big XII tournament.

Is it too late to stay in the Big XII? This is a disaster.
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That's what they're asking for. Which means Missouri and aTm will actually end up paying much, much less than that.

Honestly, I think it's a possiblity aTm and Mizzou might lawyer up and force the Big 12 to sue them (and then wait out the collapse of the league).
I expect the fees to probably be more than Nebraska paid, but probably not much.
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I expect the fees to probably be more than Nebraska paid, but probably not much.
For what reason? For the life of me, I see no justification for that.

Nebraska left an intact conference. Mizzou left a fragmented conference after 25% of the membership had already bolted.

The television contract was not reduced, so there are no damages as far as I can tell.

Neinas trashed Mizzou up one side and down the other when Mizzou had said nothing other than "we are proud members of the Big XII". That isn't the behavior of a conference that is trying to look out for the best interest of it's member and wants it to stay.



What would be your justification for anything above what Nebraska paid?
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I am sure the BIG12 is the only conference where you will see head-kickers and potheads...
Apparently the Florida team has had 9 different players arrested a total of ten times in the past year.

So who knows?
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What would be your justification for anything above what Nebraska paid?
Expediency.

If you can pay $5 million after a protracted argument, probably the initiation of litigation and a very public campaign from both sides to discredit the other OR you can pay $10 million to just wash your hands and move on to bigger and better things - you go with the latter.

I'm still not sure they'll have to, but if they do I'd imagine that will be the reason why. Rather than take shots from the conference for a year, they'll just go to a booster, get their scratch and move along.
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Expediency.

If you can pay $5 million after a protracted argument, probably the initiation of litigation and a very public campaign from both sides to discredit the other OR you can pay $10 million to just wash your hands and move on to bigger and better things - you go with the latter.

I'm still not sure they'll have to, but if they do I'd imagine that will be the reason why. Rather than take shots from the conference for a year, they'll just go to a booster, get their scratch and move along.
Shouldn't be a problem for the Big 12 to easily show that the actions of the departing schools was intentionally meant to damage the conference.

Especially in the case of Missouri where the public statements for desiring a move to the BIG can easily be presented as a harmful act towards a conference that had done nothing but help them progress as an athletic and academic entity.

If Missouri settles quickly we'll know this is the truth.

The Big 12 can then wash their hands of underperforming institutions and progress towards building a conference that contains loyal and honest parties.

Everyone wants Missouri gone but they should be held accountable for their actions over the past two years financially. That's a no brainer.
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