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Old 01-31-2012, 02:52 PM  
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:47 PM   #4246
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Here's a nice summary of the stalemate:

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FSU wouldn't mind leaving the ACC but doesn't want to go elsewhere without other regional buddies...
But the Big 12 wants FSU without its regional buddies watering down the money, so that's a stalemate at present.

Meanwhile...
FSU would jump at an SEC offer...
But the SEC wants the VA and NC markets...
But the VA and NC programs won't consider the SEC without an ACCgeddon produced by FSU leaving the conference.
The SEC could easily produce such an ACCgeddon by offering FSU, but they would then lose one of their target markets and FSU is too big a gorilla for them to offer.

The SEC would prefer the Big 12 to get FSU so they have a chance at VA and NC schools in the ensuing ACCgeddon.
But ESPN would prefer the ACC stay intact and won't offer the Big 12 enough money to take enough ACC teams to make FSU happy.
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Old 07-17-2012, 04:52 PM   #4247
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That post lost credibility with me when he suggested the SEC would look at adding Duke if rebuffed by North Carolina and N.C. State.

The SEC is going to add schools that look like 13/14 teams in the league (land grant-style, large public universities with rich alumni bases and a large interest in football). A private school with pathetic football support, facilities and history, and a small, basketball-centric alumni base is not going to rev the expansion engine.

Kentucky will allow Louisville in no more than Florida will allow Florida State in or South Carolina will allow Clemson in. To speak nothing of the SEC pursuing a city-based school.

Hell, if the SEC is going to chase a private school, there are a lot of roads it would approach before going to Duke. Even SMU would be more attractive.
I agree, I just keep in mind that as much misinformation is put out as well as true desires. Sometimes to throw the media off, sometimes to gain leverage against the school you really want. So, I think there are nuggets in there that probably have some truth to them, and some things to try and throw off the scent.
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Old 07-17-2012, 10:46 PM   #4248
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:59 AM   #4249
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That post lost credibility with me when he suggested the SEC would look at adding Duke if rebuffed by North Carolina and N.C. State.

The SEC is going to add schools that look like 13/14 teams in the league (land grant-style, large public universities with rich alumni bases and a large interest in football). A private school with pathetic football support, facilities and history, and a small, basketball-centric alumni base is not going to rev the expansion engine.

Kentucky will allow Louisville in no more than Florida will allow Florida State in or South Carolina will allow Clemson in. To speak nothing of the SEC pursuing a city-based school.

Hell, if the SEC is going to chase a private school, there are a lot of roads it would approach before going to Duke. Even SMU would be more attractive.
Duke offers absolutely nothing to the SEC. There is zero chance that the SEC asks them to join.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:14 AM   #4250
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Duke offers absolutely nothing to the SEC. There is zero chance that the SEC asks them to join.
If it meant getting UNC, there is a chance that it could happen. It's not likely, though. The more I think about it, the more I like fourteen.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:31 AM   #4251
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again, VT & NC State > NC and Duke. Fit's better.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:35 AM   #4252
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Duke offers absolutely nothing to the SEC. There is zero chance that the SEC asks them to join.
Football wise that is correct. But Duke would allow the SEC to be in the state of North Carolina, which for the cable network would be huge. Not to mention they are an AAU school for the academia and Kentucky/Duke games would be the property of the SEC for basketball. I don't see Duke as a likely choice but you never know.
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Old 07-18-2012, 11:43 AM   #4253
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Duke offers absolutely nothing to the SEC. There is zero chance that the SEC asks them to join.
This. A million times this.
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Speaking of hilarious, do you think you've got a shot against Northwestern this year?
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I agree, I just keep in mind that as much misinformation is put out as well as true desires. Sometimes to throw the media off, sometimes to gain leverage against the school you really want. So, I think there are nuggets in there that probably have some truth to them, and some things to try and throw off the scent.
It seems what was said earlier in the thread has not changed, that you have been wrong at every stage of this process
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If it meant getting UNC, there is a chance that it could happen. It's not likely, though. The more I think about it, the more I like fourteen.
Those schools don't add value in football. Duke football won't generate additional interest in SEC football.

The ACC needs to just position itself as a basketball conference.

For that matter, in hockey a lot of schools don't play in the conference they do for other sports. Why not let basketball teams at schools where the football program is shite seek a good basketball conference?
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Speaking of hilarious, do you think you've got a shot against Northwestern this year?
10th in recruiting in the SEC. Mizzou might have a similar record as Northwestern if they keep it up.
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As a KU fan l, Intialy felt MUs move to sec was a bad won for several reasons: its outside of the Midwest, different culture, and it ruined the KU MU rivalry.Now , not making that move would of have been stupid. It's all about schools positioning themselves, in a strong confrence. The eventual death of the NCAA as the governing body of colleget sports has started. The era of mega confrences operating outside of the NCAA and its ridiculous rule book is about to begin
Sensible post.

I am a Missouri fan. I am happy about the SEC move. It will be very good for the football program in recruiting, financially, and in positioning the football team to win a championship someday.

It's not that we are happy the Big 12 lost 3 schools that were always in the top half in football. I think we'd have all liked it if the big 12 had treated everyone equally and if it would have been too good a situation to leave. Unfortunately it wasn't.

You are right about re-alignment. The winners here are the schools already in the SEC, B10, and (to a lesser extent) the PAC because those schools are already in a top football conference and the top conferences got more powerful. The losers are everyone else. The traditional conferences, geographic rivalries, history.

Missouri is one of the very few schools that are winners here, so I like it that way. But the rest of the area schools were hurt by realignment so I don't love the situation because of that.

It's sort of like your parents moving out of their old neighborhood that deteriorated. They hate to leave all the memories and their home behind even though there are nothing but positives in it, outside of sentimentals.

It's too bad money caused it all, but it has been brewing. College football never adjusted to the changes the invention of cable TV brought. Now it has.
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