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Nick Foles...

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Old 12-15-2011, 02:30 PM   #61
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Biography Nick Foles Quarterback Arizona #8 Senior Redshirt

Pros

Arm Strength: Nick Foles has a cannon for an arm along with excellent throwing power.

Durability: Foles does miss games with injuries, but he is a very tough player. He responds to injuries well.

Size: Nick Foles is 6 foot 5. He can weigh in between 235 and 250 pounds. Foles has excellent size for a quarterback.

Scrambler: Nick Foles can be an effective scrambler out of the pocket.

Footwork: Nick Foles puts a lot of emphasis on his footwork.

Intangibles: His intangibles receive mixed reviews. Foles has good fundamentals for a quarterback with the 1 step, 3 step, and 5 step drops. Nick Foles needs to improve his accuracy, mechanics, and ability to throw on the run. I like what I see with Foles in terms of potential so I am open to taking a flyer on him in the 3rd round.

Pump Fakes Defense: One thing Nick Foles can do better than Andrew Luck or Matt Barkley is pump fake defenders. Nick Foles doesnít pump fake that often, but when he does you really are not sure whether he will throw the football or take off and run.

1 Step Drop: Nick Foles can make a throw off the 1 step drop. If one of the offensive lineman misses an assignment Nick Foles can get rid of the football before pressure gets to him.

Makes Proper Progressions with the 1 Step Drop: Nick Foles can make the proper progressions with the 1 step drop. Foles has a quick release when making progressions from the 1 step drop.

3 Step Drop: Nick Foles can throw the football properly when dropping back in the 3 step drop. Foles displays good short accuracy out of the pocket when he properly executes his 3 step drops when you watch Nick Foles on film.

Makes Proper Progressions with the 3 Step Drop: Nick Foles can read the proper progressions with the 3 step drop if the offensive line buys him enough time to stay in the pocket.

5 Step Drop: Nick Foles can make the 5 step drop very effectively. Nick Foles most effective passes are usually when he takes the 5 step drop out of Arizonaís shotgun spread no huddle, gimmick offense. Foles also provides good medium distance accuracy on his passes when taking the 5 step drop before firing the football.

Makes Proper Progressions with the 5 Step Drop: Nick Foles can make the proper progressions with the 5 step drop if he is given enough time in the pocket to throw the football.

Pocket Passer: Foles is a pocket passer who can make plays happen if his offensive line buys him time in the pocket.

High Character: Nick Foles said very positive things about his quarterback coach during a practice session which shows he is a bright quarterback with high character.

Production: Nick Foles provides good production in terms of putting up points and providing touchdowns for his team.

Potential: Nick Foles has the potential and upside to be a pro bowl quarterback, but he is a project quarterback who needs at least 2 years on the bench as a backup.

Cons

Gets Rattled Under Pressure: Nick Foles loses composure and gets rattled when he is under pressure.

Learning Rate: Nick Foles hasnít thrown any complex west coast NFL plays. Foles can make the proper progressions, but how fast Foles can learn a complex NFL type play is still a major question mark at this point.

Football IQ: He just doesnít recognize coverages yet. Heís thrown 19 interceptions in 2 years. Foles just doesnít seem to learn from his mistakes.

Awareness: Nick Foles is going to need to adjust his field vision once he starts playing in an NFL pro style offense.

Accuracy: Nick Foles is way too inconsistent with his accuracy. He does well when making the proper throwing steps like the 3 step and 5 step drops. Nick Foles struggles on other plays with throwing accuracy when you watch him on film.

7 Step Drop: Nick Foles struggles making throws out of the 7 step drop. He needs to improve his accuracy when throwing deep passes. It looks like Nick Foles is checking deep passes into random areas like a Captain Check Down quarterback.

Makes Progressions on the 7 Step Drop: Nick Foles struggles to make proper progressions on the 7 step drop.

Mechanics: Foles throwing motion when releasing the football is inconsistent at times. He also holds the football the wrong way sometimes. Nick Foles mechanics have to improve and get more consistent in the NFL.

Throws on the Run: Nick Foles struggles to throw on the run when throwing out of the pocket despite his ability to scramble.

Play Action Passes: Nick Foles has a tough time selling play action passes. Nick Foles playcalling will be very basic and predictable if he does not improve his ability to sell the play action pass.

My thoughts on Nick Foles

I personally believe it comes down to where Nick Foles gets drafted. If he gets drafted in the top 10 and is rushed into a starting job right away he will bust. If Foles gets drafted in the late first to early 2nd round he could be a pro bowl caliber quarterback if he sits out for a few years like Aaron Rodgers.

Foles was a former Michigan State quarterback who transferred to Arizona. Foles has really done a good job with the Wildcats. If Foles came out as a junior I would have preferred Foles over Gabbert to be honest.

Nick Foles is a 2nd to 3rd round project at this point that will probably get drafted in the late first to early 2nd round because of his cannon arm and size as a quarterback. Foles has the upside and potential to become like a Ben Roethlisberger quarterback, but he is a raw project that needs to be groomed at this point.

Foles is better than Gabbert and he may have more potential than Newton. The odds of Foles maximizing his immense potential is heavily stacked against him at this point.

He is not starter material yet at this point. Both Newton and Gabbert knew they would be 2nd-5th round picks had either quarterback returned for their senior year.
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:33 PM   #62
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I was just going to post a reply and not read the great wall of text but when I scrolled down my eyes were drawn to this gem...

"Foles is better than Gabbert and he may have more potential than Newton."

WTF?

How can anyone compare the intangibles of both Foles and Newton and say they would take Foles based on potential?

Foles is a guy Pioli would go for just because he's a big pocket passer.

That's where it ends for Foles.
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Old 12-15-2011, 02:37 PM   #63
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Foles status will be dictated in how well he does in the Senior Bowl.
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Foles status will be dictated in how well he does in the Senior Bowl.
When is the senior bowl.

I could google it, butts...
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I watch a lot of PAC-12 games and have liked what I have seen from Foles over the years (he was on a dogshit team this year, though). I am in a minority here, I think, but I would be really happy with Foles if they couldn't get one of the top 3 QBs. I think he will end up being a Matt Ryan type QB in the NFL.
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Biography Nick Foles Quarterback Arizona #8 Senior Redshirt



He is not starter material yet at this point. Both Newton and Gabbert knew they would be 2nd-5th round picks had either quarterback returned for their senior year.
Newton was going to be a mid-round pick if he returned to school??? I guess anyone can write a scouting report.
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"Gets Rattled Under Pressure: Nick Foles loses composure and gets rattled when he is under pressure."

To me, it is becoming apparent that how a QB handles himself under pressure is one of the most important criteria. Forget the combine and forget campus practices where everything is scripted.

What separates Cassel from being a good QB - no composure under pressure. They need a guy who can calmly step up, buy some time, keep his eyes down field and make a throw. No Foles, no Jones.
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"Gets Rattled Under Pressure: Nick Foles loses composure and gets rattled when he is under pressure."

To me, it is becoming apparent that how a QB handles himself under pressure is one of the most important criteria. Forget the combine and forget campus practices where everything is scripted.

What separates Cassel from being a good QB - no composure under pressure. They need a guy who can calmly step up, buy some time, keep his eyes down field and make a throw. No Foles, no Jones.
I've honestly never seen that out of Foles. To me, he seems to play his best when the game is on the line (like the way he brought the team back in the USC game this year).
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"Gets Rattled Under Pressure: Nick Foles loses composure and gets rattled when he is under pressure."

To me, it is becoming apparent that how a QB handles himself under pressure is one of the most important criteria. Forget the combine and forget campus practices where everything is scripted.

What separates Cassel from being a good QB - no composure under pressure. They need a guy who can calmly step up, buy some time, keep his eyes down field and make a throw. No Foles, no Jones.
Stanzi was horrible about that in his junior yet but his senior season he was ice.
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Stanzi was horrible about that in his junior yet but his senior season he was ice.
That seems to be the major problem with KC QBs.

Montana - cool as ice.
Grbac - deer in headlights, plus a wimp.
Gannon - could buy time with his feet.
Huard - fetal
Croyle - composed but would break with gentle wind.
Thigpen - not a good QB, but his mobility enabled chicken shit salad to be made.
Cassel - no composure.
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